prj71

Guys,

I'll wear a team logo jersey once one of these teams pays me to ride my bike.

Hypno Toad

I find it fascinating how butthurt some folks are about what another person wears ... or doesn't wear.

I ride with a guy that can complete The DAMn with Crocs and discount fishing shirt (it's UV protective), and I know a guy that showed up for that ride with over $10K in bike and top quality kit that melted down after 150 miles.

I ride what is comfortable and works for the goals of the ride ... and that changes from day-to-day. Cotton is fine when running errands or social events; and lycra* is great when training or racing.

Just go ride your effing bike, and let others ride their bike.

*Footnote: Lycra/Spandex is not simply polyester, Lycra and polyester are both synthetic materials but that's all they have in common. If you don't like polyester for biking ... I get it! But do not lump quality Lycra materials in the same bin.

Troul 

The problem I am often faced with when picking out cycling apparel is length, availability, & cost. Mainly for the top of everything I try on is too short. I would pay 10% more than the average general retailer "online" price (amazon, ebay, etc) if I could have the rear pockets be lower which means providing coverage for the lower back. Bibs resolve the exposure, but the ridiculous short jersey is not acceptable for me. Ever try reaching in those rear jersey pockets mid ride? Horrible!

prj71

Don't you tell us what to do!!!

Hypno Toad

msu2001la

Sometimes I can't believe this website is free.

wolfchild

You advocate cotton for cycling which is the most uncomfortable fabric for riding and then feel butthurt when people try to explain to you that there are more comfortable and more practical alternatives to cotton...I have experimented with all kinds of fabrics and I can tell you that modern synthetic technical fabrics are 100 times better than cotton for riding or performing any type of intense physical activity. Telling people to ride in cotton is just silly because experienced riders know better.

WhyFi

I knew I'd seen this argument before!

(psssst - it's wrong either way)

Iride01 

For cycling, I'll give cotton an okay if it is for loose outer clothing. However for things needing to fit snug to your skin for wicking sweat away or to provide protection from abrasion of your skin in your nether regions that touch the saddle it is a very poor choice.

Koyote

Textile manufacturing is done to specs. The jerseys could even be made in the same facility, but that doesn't mean they are the same or even similar.

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing you've never tried a truly nice, expensive jersey. I don't know how else you can keep claiming that they're no different than your $20 eBay specials.

I don't recall livedarklions telling anyone to ride in cotton. He was just stating a preference, and you seem butthurt when people don't agree with your preferences.

prj71

I think you missed my post earlier in this thread. I have some "truly nice expensive" jersey's that I won in some mountain bike racing events...Some were made by Borah Teamwear and Some by Sugoi...They aren't any better in fit, finish etc. than my $20 Amazon jerseys. The all work equally well and manage moisture wicking all the same.

livedarklions

I don't "advocate" squat, I just find cotton more comfortable than any polyesters, and I don't find cotton uncomfortable in the least. That's literally all I've said, I defy you to quote anything where I told anyone to ride in anything. Go ahead, and when you can't find it, I'll be happy to accept your apology.

All I've said is that I'm tired of being told I'm wrong because I find cotton very comfortable. If you consider that being "butthurt", too bad. I'm a very experienced rider who pedals hard over 100 miles in some pretty damn hot weather. I've heard the same thing about preferring cotton from some other experienced riders, and although we're a distinct minority, since comfort is by its very nature subjective, I think it's hilarious that y'all think it appropriate to tell us we're wrong. I also think it's hilarious that people are telling prj71 he isn't really comfortable in the cheap polyester jerseys he wears because he isn't spending enough money on them. On the other hand, I also think it's hilarious that he's telling people who say they're more comfortable in expensive than cheap polyester they're wrong to pay more for them.

You, on the other hand, have gone from thread to thread posting that anyone who doesn't share your preferences is wrong. I could quote literally dozens of such posts on all kinds of topics.

My quibble here is with people who are clearly stating subjective statements as undeniable truths. Sorry if that bugs you, but get over it.

I also haven't posted anything as blandly obvious that wearing a team logo is a fashion statement if you aren't actually on the team as if it's a revelation. Nice try at the deflection.

Koyote

I didn't miss your earlier post. I'm stating that lower-end lines from mid-level manufacturers doesn't constitute "truly nice expensive." The stuff they give away at events is never very good.

WhyFi

And they were from an MTB event, presumably club fit at best and almost certainly too big for technical road apparel. Your idea of a "long, hard" day is a flat, <16mph organized ride. IOW, your frame of reference is suspect and your needs aren't rigorous. It's wonderful that you can take care of your needs so inexpensively, but don't presume to tell people with more demanding needs that all polyester jerseys are the same.

livedarklions

Aha! Here's where the whole subjective thing comes in--lots of people have sensitivity to those fabrics, myself included. When we're talking about comfort, we may very well be experiencing very different interactions between our skin and those fabrics. I don't think sensitivities have to be full-blown break out in hives kind of things, so it's quite possible that people who don't find those fabrics comfortable are getting low-grade reactions they're experiencing just as discomfort. Cotton is hypo-allergenic, on the other hand. So my comfort with it could simply be that it's what I'm used to out of necessity.

I really don't care what others choose to wear, btw. I think I've been very careful not to imply any disapproval of anyone else's choices.

WhyFi

It's funny that you say this -

...and then follow it up with this -

...because that's just as inaccurate as what he was accusing you of.

prj71

So these $99 to $132 Sugoi jerseys I won at biking events aren't any good?

https://us-store.sugoi.com/collectio...s-bike-jerseys

prj71

That was a leisurly ride with the GF.

Is this better for you?? Less Flat...These were gravel events I did on a mountain bike wearing cheap jerseys. It's amazing I made it through them!!!

Hypno Toad

My team kit (not pro replica) is manufactured in St Paul, Minnesota, USA ... Podiumwear (reference my post earlier in this thread) ... and it is much better material, manufacturing, and design than the mass-produced pro replica kits ... or the freebee charity ride kit for that matter.

Reading some of your other posts in this thread, I think you understand the differences between entry level (low $) and quality kit (higher $$$). And I will say that there are diminishing returns as you spend more-and-more. Therefore, for a recreational rider, there's no real value in spending top $$$ on a kit (except possibly the logos on the kit).

livedarklions

I actually wear very snug-fitting cotton shirts, and they work very well for me. I also don't have any problems with cotton cargo shorts.

I encourage people to experiment with various things if they find they're uncomfortable in what they're wearing regardless of whatever someone else is telling them about what should or shouldn't be comfortable.

seypat

Cotton is best for walking in, particularly if it's high or tall.

livedarklions

When you posted this, I went back and checked, and you're absolutely right. No one actually said or implied that. I was absolutely wrong.

I apologize for that. Thank you for the correction.

WhyFi

Like you, I don't care what others choose to wear - if it works for you, it works for you. Like you, I find it obnoxious to be told that my perceptions and experiences are wrong. What's doubly obnoxious in this case, is being told that by people who likely have limited common experience.

You find cotton comfortable - great. Everybody here has worn cotton shirts - we can make an informed decision to agree or disagree.

When it comes to opinions on good technical fabrics, which aren't as ubiquitous or accessible as cotton, I think that it's fair that people qualify their opinion. You find polyester uncomfortable and it sounds as if that's been the case for a long time. Fair enough... but with the strides in high-end technical fabrics in the last decade or so, are you really in a position to comment on their characteristics and your disposition towards them? This stuff ain't grandpa's, or even dad's, polyester.

WhyFi

You were the one that cherry-picked those rides as being characteristic of hard rides, not me. As far as these, sorry, but I remain unimpressed.

prj71

OK. You win the internet.