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Who really gives a darn what emergency vehicle drivers do or don't do, since none were involved in this or any other bicycle incident on this thread?
The peculiar "assertion" about them was made way back by an A&S commentator about motorists' behavior and traffic etiquette who posted "but even ambulance drivers slow down at intersections with their sirens blaring"; implying that somehow the motorist in the OP was at least partly to blame for not slowing down when approaching and/or passing through an intersection with a green.
Bottom line: Some bicycling safety advocates have unrealistic expectations that motorists will do/should do whatever the advocate would like them to do, even if when there is no requirement or credible reason to expect such unusual driver behavior.
The peculiar "assertion" about them was made way back by an A&S commentator about motorists' behavior and traffic etiquette who posted "but even ambulance drivers slow down at intersections with their sirens blaring"; implying that somehow the motorist in the OP was at least partly to blame for not slowing down when approaching and/or passing through an intersection with a green.
Bottom line: Some bicycling safety advocates have unrealistic expectations that motorists will do/should do whatever the advocate would like them to do, even if when there is no requirement or credible reason to expect such unusual driver behavior.
Bottom line: you disagreed with one factual thing in his post and you acted like a total jerk when a guy who actually knew first hand about emergency driving practices corrected you. You'll need to ask yourself why you made such a big deal about it.
You're very fond of the "I don't see it, so it doesn't happen" assertion, and it's becoming painfully obvious you're just oblivious to a lot of things.
As a driver, I do try to be prepared for people to do stupid things in front of me, but I wouldn't dream of claiming that I know I could have avoided hitting this guy under these circumstances. Pretty sure no one in this thread actually did.
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And not only is she guilty of being a woman; she didn't slow down before entering the intersection like our Canadian friend implies makes her guilty of bad driving.
Surprisingly, none of the usual suspects have (so far) cried out "Texting!"
Surprisingly, none of the usual suspects have (so far) cried out "Texting!"
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The FACTS in this video, shows the car was at the crosswalk line when the dolt on a bicycle appeared. So 22 feet or so. 30 mph = 44 fps, half a second reaction time. Criminal behavior is increasing, with carjackings. FACT.
Plus the crash test dummy running the RED light was on the WRONG side of the stopped cars for going straight, further impeding visibility.
There is ZERO reason to vilify the driver.
Plus the crash test dummy running the RED light was on the WRONG side of the stopped cars for going straight, further impeding visibility.
There is ZERO reason to vilify the driver.
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...that happens all the damn time, driving emergency vehicles. You're always going to a new, different address. And it's hard to concentrate with the lights and siren going.
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This is a red herring with respect to the issue at hand. It has zero relevance to the motorist's duty to stop and exchange info.
Here are two reasons:
https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jer...ction-39-4-129
https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jer...c-12/2c-12-1-1
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Looks like...
Cyclist at fault for running Red Light and not watching out for traffic.
Driver and other traffic at fault for not stopping to render aid.
Spectators at fault for not rendering aid as well.
Man... Guy wasn't even wearing his MAGA hat...
Cyclist at fault for running Red Light and not watching out for traffic.
Driver and other traffic at fault for not stopping to render aid.
Spectators at fault for not rendering aid as well.
Man... Guy wasn't even wearing his MAGA hat...
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I don't think that any bicyclist will learn much from viewing the OP video other than that it can be dangerous to run red lights especially when not looking for approaching traffic. If anyone is old enough to ride without training wheels that know that already.
A few posters recommend or allege that safety (or continued employment) dictates that good drivers slow down or even crawl through intersections dead slow, and it doesn't matter if the driver has a clear right of way. It would be a bad idea for any bicyclist to base their own safety on any anticipation that motorists will behave in that way.
I would recommend that every motorist who makes a practice of driving like that be required to install emergency lights on their vehicle and keep them flashing at all times as a warning to other drivers to keep clear of the oh-so-cautious driver in front of them who may choose to slow down for no apparent reason, just like phantom braking in some defective cars. I would also affix a big sign like this to the back of my vehicle;
or maybe add a few hazardous material placards to keep all these "bad drivers" at a safe distance from my unexpected "slowing down" for whatever hazards I imagine could appear in any intersection.
Maybe blasting a super loud siren when approaching every intersection.will help at keeping anybody from getting too close.
A few posters recommend or allege that safety (or continued employment) dictates that good drivers slow down or even crawl through intersections dead slow, and it doesn't matter if the driver has a clear right of way. It would be a bad idea for any bicyclist to base their own safety on any anticipation that motorists will behave in that way.
I would recommend that every motorist who makes a practice of driving like that be required to install emergency lights on their vehicle and keep them flashing at all times as a warning to other drivers to keep clear of the oh-so-cautious driver in front of them who may choose to slow down for no apparent reason, just like phantom braking in some defective cars. I would also affix a big sign like this to the back of my vehicle;
or maybe add a few hazardous material placards to keep all these "bad drivers" at a safe distance from my unexpected "slowing down" for whatever hazards I imagine could appear in any intersection.
Maybe blasting a super loud siren when approaching every intersection.will help at keeping anybody from getting too close.
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The FACTS in this video, shows the car was at the crosswalk line when the dolt on a bicycle appeared. So 22 feet or so. 30 mph = 44 fps, half a second reaction time. Criminal behavior is increasing, with carjackings. FACT.
Plus the crash test dummy running the RED light was on the WRONG side of the stopped cars for going straight, further impeding visibility.
There is ZERO reason to vilify the driver.
Plus the crash test dummy running the RED light was on the WRONG side of the stopped cars for going straight, further impeding visibility.
There is ZERO reason to vilify the driver.
Three words: hit and run. Fault or not, the driver was required to stop. Leaving the scene is a cowardly and illegal thing to do.
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I don't think that any bicyclist will learn much from viewing the OP video other than that it can be dangerous to run red lights especially when not looking for approaching traffic. If anyone is old enough to ride without training wheels that know that already.
A few posters recommend or allege that safety (or continued employment) dictates that good drivers slow down or even crawl through intersections dead slow, and it doesn't matter if the driver has a clear right of way. It would be a bad idea for any bicyclist to base their own safety on any anticipation that motorists will behave in that way.
I would recommend that every motorist who makes a practice of driving like that be required to install emergency lights on their vehicle and keep them flashing at all times as a warning to other drivers to keep clear of the oh-so-cautious driver in front of them who may choose to slow down for no apparent reason, just like phantom braking in some defective cars. I would also affix a big sign like this to the back of my vehicle;
or maybe add a few hazardous material placards to keep all these "bad drivers" at a safe distance from my unexpected "slowing down" for whatever hazards I imagine could appear in any intersection.
Maybe blasting a super loud siren when approaching every intersection.will help at keeping anybody from getting too close.
A few posters recommend or allege that safety (or continued employment) dictates that good drivers slow down or even crawl through intersections dead slow, and it doesn't matter if the driver has a clear right of way. It would be a bad idea for any bicyclist to base their own safety on any anticipation that motorists will behave in that way.
I would recommend that every motorist who makes a practice of driving like that be required to install emergency lights on their vehicle and keep them flashing at all times as a warning to other drivers to keep clear of the oh-so-cautious driver in front of them who may choose to slow down for no apparent reason, just like phantom braking in some defective cars. I would also affix a big sign like this to the back of my vehicle;
or maybe add a few hazardous material placards to keep all these "bad drivers" at a safe distance from my unexpected "slowing down" for whatever hazards I imagine could appear in any intersection.
Maybe blasting a super loud siren when approaching every intersection.will help at keeping anybody from getting too close.
Y'know a diet of pure straw man is going to give you the runs, right?
You insist that the emergency vehicle thing was a red herring when you were caught bs-ing on the subject, you whine about snark, then you double-down with this?! Hypocrite.
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A few posters recommend or allege that safety (or continued employment) dictates that good drivers slow down or even crawl through intersections dead slow, and it doesn't matter if the driver has a clear right of way. It would be a bad idea for any bicyclist to base their own safety on any anticipation that motorists will behave in that way.
...I'm willing to concede that standards in places like Burlington, Iowa might be different. I could only see one traffic signal in that shot of downtown, and the main fire station (one of two), is located in close proximity to it. Maybe the guys who drive your ambulances don't go through many intersections at all ? Still, your best bet at finding out for certain is that citizen firefighter training school, and you seem resistant to the idea of attending. So I guess we'll never know for sure.
2010 California Code
Vehicle Code
Article 1. Horns, Sirens And Amplification Devices
VEHICLE CODESECTION 27000-27007
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27002. No vehicle, except an authorized emergency vehicle, shall be
equipped with, nor shall any person use upon a vehicle any siren
except that an authorized emergency vehicle shall be equipped with a
siren meeting requirements established by the department.
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...is it just this one, or are all the current A+S threads equally strange ?
...is it just this one, or are all the current A+S threads equally strange ?
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Then of course there are the strange "discussions" which are on repeat play about bad drivers, evil law enforcement personnel, ignorant city employees, and/or texting being the cause of most if not all "crashes and the bane of all bicyclists.
Thankfully the previously constant strange static and noise about helmets, vehicular cycling and bike lanes has drifted away.
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Just the threads where some character wants to keep babbling like he used to in Trollheim; such as ranting on and on about driving his firetruck around and around and around, or sniping with snarky cute comments for the amusement of equally smug jokers.
Then of course there are the strange "discussions" which are on repeat play about bad drivers, evil law enforcement personnel, ignorant city employees, and/or texting being the cause of most if not all "crashes and the bane of all bicyclists.
Thankfully the previously constant strange static and noise about helmets, vehicular cycling and bike lanes has drifted away.
Then of course there are the strange "discussions" which are on repeat play about bad drivers, evil law enforcement personnel, ignorant city employees, and/or texting being the cause of most if not all "crashes and the bane of all bicyclists.
Thankfully the previously constant strange static and noise about helmets, vehicular cycling and bike lanes has drifted away.
You're completely incapable of any reasonable discussion at this point, your posts are just unclever repetitive piles of anger and resentment.
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I wasn't going to chime in but you guys keep going back and forth on this. I'm not sure if you're aware but some people actually do slow down at all intersections. I only know this because my husband is one of them and when I asked him why he said that it's good defensive driving. 🤷
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The FACTS in this video, shows the car was at the crosswalk line when the dolt on a bicycle appeared. So 22 feet or so. 30 mph = 44 fps, half a second reaction time. Criminal behavior is increasing, with carjackings. FACT.
Plus the crash test dummy running the RED light was on the WRONG side of the stopped cars for going straight, further impeding visibility.
There is ZERO reason to vilify the driver.
Plus the crash test dummy running the RED light was on the WRONG side of the stopped cars for going straight, further impeding visibility.
There is ZERO reason to vilify the driver.
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....in fairness, there's probably not much going on in Burlington, Iowa in the way of other entertainment. Still, you'd think someone living there would have a large streaming TV package. I figured when I pointed out that free citizen's academy, run by the local fire guys, like_to_bike would jump at the chance. It shows them playing with auto extrication tools, which is worth the price of admission all by itself. But I guess A+S takes up a lot of his time. nttawwt
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