kipibenkipod

Hi all,
I got this Peugeot Carbolite 103.
would like to open the freewheel and the BB.
What tools I need to use?
I have looked on Park Tools website, but didn't find tool that will fit the BB or the Freewheel.

Thanks,
Kfir

bikeman715

For the BB you'll need a locking ring wrench, and a adjustable wrench for the adjustable cup. for the freewheel, you need a bicycle research CT -3 to pull the freewheel from the wheel. the freewheel opening is 30 mm wide.

Chombi

That's an 8 notch lockring on that BB, Typical of many Stronglight BBs of that time.....and very hard to find an exact lockring for, as most BB lockrings have six notches. Stronglight mad a two tooth lockring spanner for their BBs, but it's almost impassible to find these days.. You will most likely have to use a claw type spanner, but make sure it is made for the correct diameter lcokring or it will pop off repeaedly if you use one for a bigger diameter. I noticed that a fixie/SS sprocket lockwring wrench works nicely on these smaller diameter lockrings. The one made by "Pedros" fits nice and nug against my Stronglight lockring, plus it is thick enough wo it's stable when you use it to tihten the ring. Expensive though, I think it's close to 20 bucks! Park makes one that works but is not as stable feeling on the ring as the Pedros.

Chombi

kipibenkipod

bikeman715, thanks for your reply.
My problem is that I tried all the BB wrenches of Park at my LBS, and nothing fit.
Can you give me an example of such tools?

I found the Bicycle Research CT-3 Normandy Type here: https://www.bicycleresearchtools.com/...l#anchor270825

Thanks,
Kfir

kipibenkipod

What wrench is the park? I tried all the wrenches in my LBS. If you will provide me with the wrench type, I'll go tomorrow to try again.

Thanks,
Kfir

kipibenkipod

Is there a way to pray out the freewheel. If I'll take it out, I'll make this bike a fixie. If not, I will use it with the gears.

Kfir

Chombi

I don't remember what Park model/part number it is, but I'll take a look tonight and post it for you.
The Park works OK with the Stronglight lockrings, but does not sit as nicely and snug as the Pedros FIxie/SS gear lockring wrench IMO.
There is also the claw wrench made by Hozan that feels very close as good a fit as the Pedros, but it is also expensive. Park should work good enough if you are very careful using it.....it's what I ended up using on the aluminum 8 notched lockrings of my NOS Stronglight BB for my Vitus bike earlier this year.

Chombi

kipibenkipod

Thanks, I'll wait for your post.
Bottom bracket tools on park website

Thanks,
Kfir

kipibenkipod

I think you mean this tool: Park HCW-5

Kfir

wrk101

While that Park tool is nice, I usually just use a set of channel locks for that style bb on the adjustable cup side. Once the lock ring is loosened, the adjustable cup usually comes off very easily.

kipibenkipod

Can you explain what is channel locks?

Thanks,
Kfir

wrk101

Channel locks are a brand of adjustable pliers. Google them, you will find thousands of links. Can find at pretty much any hardware store, along with Walmart and others.

BTW: The only thing on your bike that is unique Peugeot is the frame. Peugeot, like pretty much every bicycle maker out there built their bikes using parts built by a handful of suppliers, that supplied everyone in the industry. Many brands didn't even make their frames, they were just marketing companies. I have a Schwinn for example that does not have a single Schwinn part on it, the entire bike was made by Panasonic, and even in the case of Panasonic, they only made the frame.

Carbolite 103 is not the model of your bike, its Peugeot's tradename for the high tension steel they used to make the frame. Peugeot made several bikes, over many years, with Carbolite 103 frames. The Carbolite 103 was used on their lower end models.

garage sale GT

That bike may be french threaded. I think the model is UO-8. If it's french threaded then ss/bmx freewheels and track cogs won't fit your rear hub. You can get a new, fixed gear rear wheel, and velo-orange.com makes 103mm french thread bottom brackets which will put the front chainring in the right place.

If you want to use the bike as is, don't mess with the bb unless the spindle wobbles loose in its bearings. Sheldonbrown.com or an older book ought to have instructions for cup and cone bbs. If it's french then both sides are right hand threaded. You need a hook spanner to remove the lockring then a large crescent wrench to remove the cup.

tjspiel

I've used channel locks before on similar BBs. Wrap a couple of layers of friction tape around the teeth to minimize that chances of scratching the BB shell. Just looking at the bike, I would say that it's an early to mid 80's model. Over time Peugeot started using fewer French threaded stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if you could put a standard cartridge BB in there if you wanted. My 87 Peugeot had one. The rear hub is another story. It looks like it says Malliard on the small cog. It's possible it's not a freewheel at all and instead is a forerunner to modern cassettes.

garage sale GT

It's a freewheel, not a helicomatic cassette hub. look for a thread designation on it. If it says 34x1 then you can't put fixed gear stuff on it. If it says 1.37x24 then you can.

Velo-orange.com has french thread cartridge bbs. Some french bikes also came with swiss thread bbs in the mid 80s. those are like french except with reverse thread on one side. see sheldonbrown.com for a discussion on bb threading for french bikes.

A pipe wrench would work as well as channel locks but either one is going to mar the lockring. A hook spanner is the right tool. The bb may be still good.

ultraman6970

Once u take the lockring lose the cup should be as easy as using your own hand.

JohnDThompson 

A single pin lockring tool like the Hozan will work:


Failing that, a lockring plier will also work:

ultraman6970

Even a big arss pipe style adjustable wrench can take care of that lock ring. Or a good vice

JohnDThompson 

No, it's newer than a UO-8. "Carbolite" is actually the model number. Unlike the UO-8, the Carbolite is lugless.

Or you can just find a shorter spindle to use with the present cups.

Chombi

Uhmmmm.. "Carbolite" a model number???.....Uhhh no,.... "Carbolite 103" is the tubing material made by/for Peugeot to use on their bikes in the 80's. High tensile, High carbon straight guage tubing. Carbolite 103 was used on many bike models P8, PH10...etc....

Chombi

garage sale GT

What sort of spindle do you use with a French BB? (it may not be French if it's much later than '85. Not sure of the exact year. It can be Swiss or British.)

P.S. the pipe wrench/adjusable plier approach will mar the lockring.

tjspiel

Agree that it's probably newer than a UO-8. The UO-8's I've seen had lugs, half-chromed forks and cottered cranks. Maybe the UO-8 continued beyond what I'm thinking. Carbolite is just the type of tubing though.

tjspiel

It's not a smooth edged lockring. I don't know if you'd notice any difference in it after using a channel lock or pipe wrench unless you really had to apply a lot of force to get it loose.

If it were an especially nice vintage bike I might feel differently. As it is it may not be worth buying a special tool that you may never use again unless you work on a lot of bikes.

curbtender

I say spend time cleaning this one up, sell it, and buy a bike that is already converted.

Chombi

Kfir,
The Park wrench that worked OK for me on my Stronglight's BB lockring was the model number HCW-5. The other end of the wrench has a different style with three claws on it for I don't know what type of lockring. you will need to use the other end with the single claw. Just make sure you have it seated nice and centered on the lockring before you apply any torque on the wrench because once it starts slipping on you, it will mess up the notches on the lockring.
Good luck if you decide on the Park wrench.
You might be also lucky to find a bikeshop that will lend out it's tools and maybe just let you borrow the wrench to get your BB lockiring off at their shop....Some nice shops might even do it for free.

Chombi