Grant Peterson's "Just Ride"
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Grant Peterson's "Just Ride"
My wife was shopping for stocking stuffers at the local book store (Yes, we still have a bricks and mortar one) and brought home Grant Peterson’s book "Just Ride". I have to say that it was a short, easy and enjoyable read. As most of us know, some of Grant’s ideas are controversial. And, while I don’t agree with all of them, it was still a fun read. I found myself putting the book down, jumping on my commuter bike and just cruising around the neighborhood - without making any changes to clothing, destination in mind or desire to keep track of mileage or how long I was out. That short 15 minutes was refreshing. Two hours later, I did the same thing. Yesterday, I did the same thing three times, and today I’ve already done the same thing twice. So, his book reminded me of what I used to know: riding a bike doesn’t have to be a sport, training, transportation, a test of fitness, or any of that. It can be a simple pleasure, much like taking a coffee break. I know many of you “know” this in the active sense that you ride without fuss and fanfare on a regular basis. For me, however, I've not ridden this way in years. It’s turning into a nice way to bring a bit of respite into full and challenging days.
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I guess it needs to be said there are a dozen threads dedicated to Peterson's arguments. I think it's more interesting to ponder how the NASCAR mentality overtook bike riding, why millions of dollars, perhaps billions, have been invested in the pursuit of convincing you that you are not a cyclist if you are not cruising at 20mph in a skin suit with crazy expensive gear and a computer measuring every possible aspect of your ride. That is a fascinating mindset, and I think it has made Grant a little neurotic explaining why his view is so different.
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The Bike Show Podcast had an interview with Grant Peterson re his book. Worth a listen.
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Cycling is pretty broad based and it's easy to get lost in your own little corner. I remember reading one of GP's missives years ago to the effect of "bikes with brazed-on centerpull brakes haven't been built in decades". The constructeur-connoisseurs in his audience lapped that up - but actually, that's a pretty common brake style on BMX-freestyle bikes.
On pretty weekends where I live, the neighborhoods and paths will be well tracked by young and old folks on bikes who have never heard of Grant Peterson, Eddy Merckx, Mark Sanders or Fred Birchmore. They'd surely see as little need for a Rivendell bike and Musa clothing as they do for a Power meter and Di2. No doubt they'd be surprised and amused to find out they need to be convinced of anything about riding their bikes.
I think it's more interesting to ponder how the NASCAR mentality overtook bike riding, why millions of dollars, perhaps billions, have been invested in the pursuit of convincing you that you are not a cyclist if you are not cruising at 20mph in a skin suit with crazy expensive gear and a computer measuring every possible aspect of your ride.
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On my ride this morning--It was going to be a smell the roses ride. First sensible distance ride for a long time and there is no way I am a competitive cyclist. Wasn't long though before I was checking cadence- checking that the legs were working by the feel of the leg muscles and that the Lungs were working hard enough to say that they were in the working zone.
That was on the road bike. I Often get the "Hybrid" out for small local trips though and they are taken at a leisurely pace just to make the trip quicker than walking. Surprising how often that leisurely 2 mile ride into town gets extended into 10 miles --just because I am enjoying the ride.
That was on the road bike. I Often get the "Hybrid" out for small local trips though and they are taken at a leisurely pace just to make the trip quicker than walking. Surprising how often that leisurely 2 mile ride into town gets extended into 10 miles --just because I am enjoying the ride.
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I stumbled on that book by chance a week ago and checked it out of the library. I agree with a fair amount of what he says, although I have experimented with skipping the padded bike shorts and have concluded that he is wrong about them being a waste. I also like riding clipped but my wife and I ride SPDs with one platform side so we can jump on our bikes for spur of the moment neighborhood trips. For those, and for grabbing a DC "CABI" bikeshare for a quick ride downtown, I go for regular shoes and clothes. I will also be posting pictures of our N+2 custom steel sport touring bikes when they arrive in the next coupe of weeks.
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Purchased the book a few months ago on Amazon and found it to be a refreshing look at cycling overall. I get the feeling he has a compulsion to tell the world cycling is about more than some well off dudes in spandex. Good for him!
The general population around here thinks old guys on bikes either can't afford a car/truck or lost their license for DUI. If his missive is to entice more people to the cult, more power to him. My old Raleigh "Sprites" are an excellent standin for a $2K Riv.
The general population around here thinks old guys on bikes either can't afford a car/truck or lost their license for DUI. If his missive is to entice more people to the cult, more power to him. My old Raleigh "Sprites" are an excellent standin for a $2K Riv.
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I enjoy a ride that is as fast as I'm able to ride which is not very fast at all. More often I enjoy the equivalent of wheeled strolling around town, the bike path or Colt State Park. In town, many older homes are historic from colonial times with signs showing the dates and the name of the builder. Other rides at the state park or along the bike path have considerable bird or boat traffic as would be expected along an estuary. These rides are relaxing and soothing.
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I'm forever amazed by how long it takes me to get ready to go riding, especially on wet/rainy days. I've got the t-shirt and shorts on, then comes the long tights, the socks, the jersey, the long-sleeve wool jersey layer if it's 3 deg C or colder, the rain jacket, the shoes, the shoe covers, the cap and helmet, and the gloves, and then I'm ready to ride to work, or out training. If I need to drive somewhere, I just get in the car and go; no special preparation necessary. So Grant probably has a point there. However, I sure wouldn't want to attempt my 20-km commute on a cold and rainy day in anything less than the above. I'd be hypothermic and uncomfortable within the first 30 minutes!
I think a lot of what he says is the typical reaction to the lycra subculture. Anytime you go to a bike advocacy/urban cycling lecture or function, the moderator always makes the snide joke about "MAMILs" (middle-aged men in tights), which gets kind of thin after you've heard it the past five times. There appears to be a lot of misplaced resentment coming from "ordinary" riders, which I think is just the normal resentment "commoners" hold for "elites." Well, most of these lycra-clad guys are just not that "elite." After you've ridden a bike for over 40 years, some clothing is just eminently more practical than others, and it's worth the extra time to get into it. Maybe you can get away with everyday clothing in Walnut Creek, CA, but such is not the case in Portland, Seattle, or Vancouver!
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I think a lot of what he says is the typical reaction to the lycra subculture. Anytime you go to a bike advocacy/urban cycling lecture or function, the moderator always makes the snide joke about "MAMILs" (middle-aged men in tights), which gets kind of thin after you've heard it the past five times. There appears to be a lot of misplaced resentment coming from "ordinary" riders, which I think is just the normal resentment "commoners" hold for "elites." Well, most of these lycra-clad guys are just not that "elite." After you've ridden a bike for over 40 years, some clothing is just eminently more practical than others, and it's worth the extra time to get into it. Maybe you can get away with everyday clothing in Walnut Creek, CA, but such is not the case in Portland, Seattle, or Vancouver!
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Luis,
Hear, hear!
My response to "Just Ride" was in thirds: a third violently agreeing, the next third didn't care, and the last third violent disagreement. But when my commute is over 5 km, and it's 80F with dew on the grass in the summer, or freezing in the winter? I'll wear what I need to in order to ride comfortably on the bike -- and it's not seersucker!
Hear, hear!
My response to "Just Ride" was in thirds: a third violently agreeing, the next third didn't care, and the last third violent disagreement. But when my commute is over 5 km, and it's 80F with dew on the grass in the summer, or freezing in the winter? I'll wear what I need to in order to ride comfortably on the bike -- and it's not seersucker!
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l reaction to the lycra subculture. Anytime you go to a bike advocacy/urban cycling lecture or function, the moderator always makes the snide joke about "MAMILs" (middle-aged men in tights), which gets kind of thin after you've heard it the past five times. There appears to be a lot of misplaced resentment coming from "ordinary" riders, which I think is just the normal resentment "commoners" hold for "elites." Well, most of these lycra-clad guys are just not that "elite." After you've ridden a bike for over 40 years, some clothing is just eminently more practical than others, and it's worth the extra time to get into it. Maybe you can get away with everyday clothing in Walnut Creek, CA, but such is not the case in Portland, Seattle, or Vancouver!
The trouble is, and I have had this happen, they tend to influence decisionmakers such as councillors and legislators, to the point that bad facilities that serve no-one are planned or created. They are the bane of professional bicycle officers...
As to Peterson, he's entitled to his opinions, but they aren't necessarily right. And I often wonder about the market at which his comments are aimed
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A friend of mine mailed me Grant's book and I had a great time reading it (quick read for sure!), whether or not I agreed with him on any particular point. I do generally agree with his "un-racer" philosophy, but it doesn't take into account all those of us who enjoy going as fast as possible . . . but not racing.
I first met Grant back in the 80's when he worked for Bridgestone, then again at the Interbike Show a couple of years ago. Great guy, and I wish him nothing but success with Rivendell Bicycles and his assorted accessory and clothing items.
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MAMILS are actually Middle-aged men in Lycra.
I first met Grant back in the 80's when he worked for Bridgestone, then again at the Interbike Show a couple of years ago. Great guy, and I wish him nothing but success with Rivendell Bicycles and his assorted accessory and clothing items.
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PS: l reaction to the lycra subculture. Anytime you go to a bike advocacy/urban cycling lecture or function, the moderator always makes the snide joke about "MAMILs" (middle-aged men in tights), which gets kind of thin after you've heard it the past five times.
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Grant Peterson is one of my least favorite cyclists. One read of his book and it quickly obvious that it would be far better if we all quit riding bicycles and go for electric scooters. Think of it, they cost less than a Rivendale, require less effort to ride and you can ride them in dress shoes or heals. Everything he suggests in his book can be accomplished with an electric scooter with the exception of not shifting to climb hills. They even have fewer gears like he loves.
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As a longtime Bridgestone RB-1 rider, a charter member of BOB and an early subscriber to the Rivendell Reader, I have been aware of, a fan of and in some ways influenced by Grant Petersen for more than two decades. I learned much about casual riding, relaxed positioning, leather saddles and obsolete yet superbly functional components from him. My Casseroll remains my most "Bobish" bike and I often ride it in whatever clothing I happen to be wearing, but most of my riding is on more modern bikes with more advanced components and done while wearing more activity specific attire. I have just found that to be what I mostly enjoy and what works best for me while I'm doing it. I found the book refreshing, amusing and interesting, but at times I was put off by Grant's tone. Sometimes he seems to be suggesting that the way he rides is superior while I see it as just another variety. But then, they didn't coin the term "retrogrouch" to describe him for nothing.
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As a longtime Bridgestone RB-1 rider, a charter member of BOB and an early subscriber to the Rivendell Reader, I have been aware of, a fan of and in some ways influenced by Grant Petersen for more than two decades. I learned much about casual riding, relaxed positioning, leather saddles and obsolete yet superbly functional components from him. My Casseroll remains my most "Bobish" bike and I often ride it in whatever clothing I happen to be wearing, but most of my riding is on more modern bikes with more advanced components and done while wearing more activity specific attire. I have just found that to be what I mostly enjoy and what works best for me while I'm doing it. I found the book refreshing, amusing and interesting, but at times I was put off by Grant's tone. Sometimes he seems to be suggesting that the way he rides is superior while I see it as just another variety. But then, they didn't coin the term "retrogrouch" to describe him for nothing.
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So true big john! A MAMIL = Middle Aged Man in Lycra whereas (maybe?) MAMILS is a Middle Aged Man in Lycra Shorts. Maybe.
In either case, we are guilty as charged.
Unless . . . we're too old to be "Middle Aged" which would make us ROGILS! Or . . . Really Old Geezers In Lycra Shorts!
First read about a MAMIL in Cycle Sport, which is a British magazine so probably Stapfam is familiar with the term.
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In either case, we are guilty as charged.
Unless . . . we're too old to be "Middle Aged" which would make us ROGILS! Or . . . Really Old Geezers In Lycra Shorts!
First read about a MAMIL in Cycle Sport, which is a British magazine so probably Stapfam is familiar with the term.
Rick / OCRR
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My wife was shopping for stocking stuffers at the local book store (Yes, we still have a bricks and mortar one) and brought home Grant Peterson’s book "Just Ride". I have to say that it was a short, easy and enjoyable read. As most of us know, some of Grant’s ideas are controversial. And, while I don’t agree with all of them, it was still a fun read. I found myself putting the book down, jumping on my commuter bike and just cruising around the neighborhood - without making any changes to clothing, destination in mind or desire to keep track of mileage or how long I was out. That short 15 minutes was refreshing. Two hours later, I did the same thing. Yesterday, I did the same thing three times, and today I’ve already done the same thing twice. So, his book reminded me of what I used to know: riding a bike doesn’t have to be a sport, training, transportation, a test of fitness, or any of that. It can be a simple pleasure, much like taking a coffee break. I know many of you “know” this in the active sense that you ride without fuss and fanfare on a regular basis. For me, however, I've not ridden this way in years. It’s turning into a nice way to bring a bit of respite into full and challenging days.
It was getting late in the day and I was having some trouble with the bike -- I knew it was too late to both get it fixed AND do my usual routine of putting on the car and trucking it out to the trail so could do my usual 25 - 30 miles...
So, just to get a ride in (regardless of how short) I jumped on the bike and rode it down to my trusty and dependable LBS. They got everything working like silk again. So, I drove it home.
But, like Stapfam: that just wasn't enough. So I dropped some stuff off and headed back out and just had a really nice little ride...
... I gotta do more of that!
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Grant's book has changed a lot of cyclist's attitudes, in my case, for the better. Others were offended by his book or just shrugged it off. It's all good. Some people like The Beatles. For others, they are a way of life.
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Yes, it's usually the people who solely ride MUPs and the sidewalks, have few cycling skills much less have a clue about their legal obligations and other users, think they know everything about cycling when they don't have a clue, and get all huffy when someone points out they aren''t the only bicycle riders in their world, and their opinions and agendas are miniscule in comparison to the broader picture.
The trouble is, and I have had this happen, they tend to influence decisionmakers such as councillors and legislators, to the point that bad facilities that serve no-one are planned or created. They are the bane of professional bicycle officers...
As to Peterson, he's entitled to his opinions, but they aren't necessarily right. And I often wonder about the market at which his comments are aimed
The trouble is, and I have had this happen, they tend to influence decisionmakers such as councillors and legislators, to the point that bad facilities that serve no-one are planned or created. They are the bane of professional bicycle officers...
As to Peterson, he's entitled to his opinions, but they aren't necessarily right. And I often wonder about the market at which his comments are aimed
I am troubled by the Balkanization of cycling that has been occurring this past decade or two. I know modern equipment plays a role here, but it is sad to see so many subdivisions among cyclists. Many of us have been riding our entire lives and have raced bikes in various formats, done endurance rides, toured (loaded and credit card), commuted, recreated, ridden off-road, ridden tandems, ridden for utilitarian purposes and whatever other divisions people want to create, including many combinations of the aforementioned divisions. In my opinion, there is no single correct way to ride or single correct clothing/equipment. If the rider is enjoying what he/she is doing and isn't endangering anyone else, then it is being done well.