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03-11-17, 08:15 AM
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03-11-17, 08:28 AM
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Gatorskins are on the lower end of performance with respect to rolling resistance. The link states 7+ watts higher resistance per tire, and rates Gatorskins 3/5 versus 5/5 for the Grand Prix 4000S II. YMMV.
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03-11-17, 12:06 PM
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San Pedro, I'm guessing you are talking about replacing the tires on your TCR Advanced Pro. I did the same with my Defy Advanced Pro. Replaced the Giant Gavia tubeless with Schwalbe Pro One tubeless. Rolls very nice, and being tubeless they can substantially lessen the amount of punctures. However, I've only put on a hundred miles or so, therefore I can't give any info on how they are wearing.
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03-11-17, 05:29 PM
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03-12-17, 07:16 AM
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The bike I'll put the tires on is a TCR Advanced 2. I'll at least have one tubeless ready wheel when I get the bike back. When I get the marching rear wheel I'll think about tubeless tires.
This is the tire I had a bad experience with: https://www.wiggle.co.uk/continental-sportcontact-city-road-tyre/
After that happened I read some forum posts where individuals had similar experience with GP4000 tires. (The cheap Panasonic tires I replaced them with are still on the bike 4-5 years later.) In this thread someone posted they had a friend with similar experience. I went through a bunch of reviews on wiggle, and it seems less of a problem now, but there are plenty of other nice tires.
This is the tire I had a bad experience with: https://www.wiggle.co.uk/continental-sportcontact-city-road-tyre/
After that happened I read some forum posts where individuals had similar experience with GP4000 tires. (The cheap Panasonic tires I replaced them with are still on the bike 4-5 years later.) In this thread someone posted they had a friend with similar experience. I went through a bunch of reviews on wiggle, and it seems less of a problem now, but there are plenty of other nice tires.
03-12-17, 09:14 AM
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I want to get ready for when my Giant SL1 tires bite the dust and am looking at tires again.
I'm trying to decide between Vittoria Rubino Pro G+, Schwable One, Schwable Durano Race guard, Micheline PRO4 Endurance V2, and Michelin Power Endurance. I've used/using the PRO4 tire. The rear one I had only lasted 500 miles before I had a critical cut. The front one I've put around 1500 or more miles on it and it seems to be doing well with some cuts and nicks in it. I really like how the tires rode though, much better than the stock tires they replaced. The Durano that replaced it doesn't ride as nice, but has been holding up pretty well, but aren't as nice of a ride (still better than Specialized Espoir).
I mostly commute on decent roads with some debris, but no goat head thorns or anything like that. I would like a nice ride, but also don't want to be fixing a flat tire every couple weeks. I'm also thinking I would like to try some latex tubes. Inflating every morning isn't a problem, but inflating at the end of the work day too would be tiresome.
Thoughts, comments, suggestions?
Any thoughts on these tires.
I'm trying to decide between Vittoria Rubino Pro G+, Schwable One, Schwable Durano Race guard, Micheline PRO4 Endurance V2, and Michelin Power Endurance. I've used/using the PRO4 tire. The rear one I had only lasted 500 miles before I had a critical cut. The front one I've put around 1500 or more miles on it and it seems to be doing well with some cuts and nicks in it. I really like how the tires rode though, much better than the stock tires they replaced. The Durano that replaced it doesn't ride as nice, but has been holding up pretty well, but aren't as nice of a ride (still better than Specialized Espoir).
I mostly commute on decent roads with some debris, but no goat head thorns or anything like that. I would like a nice ride, but also don't want to be fixing a flat tire every couple weeks. I'm also thinking I would like to try some latex tubes. Inflating every morning isn't a problem, but inflating at the end of the work day too would be tiresome.
Thoughts, comments, suggestions?
Any thoughts on these tires.
03-12-17, 10:28 AM
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I commute on the gp4000ii and typically get 4 flats/yr over about 7k miles.
The roads are pretty average.
The roads are pretty average.
03-12-17, 07:10 PM
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Lots of people on the gp4000II here. . . I'll consider them, but I'll probably go for something slightly cheaper.
03-12-17, 07:19 PM
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I almost got them last year, but I read a couple reviews saying they don't fair well in the heat, and for about three months straight here it's over 90 degrees and very humid every day.
Lots of people on the gp4000II here. . . I'll consider them, but I'll probably go for something slightly cheaper.
Lots of people on the gp4000II here. . . I'll consider them, but I'll probably go for something slightly cheaper.
03-14-17, 09:45 AM
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Yes you can just throw a tube in. In fact, I have a tube in my saddleback that hasn't seen it's use for last 1.5 years. Tubeless tires are a little harder to mount/dismount than some tires typically so that would be the hardest part for you on the road. After that would be the sealant to deal with (nice if you have a rag... if not... just deal with the mess). I've have 3 different tubeless wheelset and mounting and dismounting is all different. HED Ardennes was super easy (no levers needed), Reynolds Assault/Strike SLG (lever needed but not too bad), Token C50 (lever required and I would much prefer using tire jack on this one at home than on road). All using Schwalbe Pro One. They are slightly more effort than Michelin Pro 4 Service course on same rims respectively.
I do suggest carrying CO2 cartridges instead of pumps as if the tire unseated while sealing up, burst of pressure might be needed to reseat it (happens when you had to go more on big puncture and air got below 30-40 psi on some rims...)
I am so much in tubeless camp at this point that I didn't even get Zipp or Enve as they don't really offer one... till now... Waiting for Enve 3.4 which is finally tubeless ready this year.
03-14-17, 10:15 AM
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I had two seperate ride-ending, call-the-wife sidewall cuts with GP4000iis and gave up on that tire. I've used whatever the latest version of Performance's own-brand tire with bead-to-bead Kevlar for several years now. I think the latest ones are called "Forte AMR+". These tires run about $24, they're made by Maxxis, they are significantly lighter than Gatorskins and I've never had them flat (knock wood). They're also very durable, I get about 4K miles out of a rear tire.
I'm increasingly convinced with tubeless and I have a set of Schwalbe Pro Ones I'm going to install in late spring. Every other bike I have is tubeless.
I'm increasingly convinced with tubeless and I have a set of Schwalbe Pro Ones I'm going to install in late spring. Every other bike I have is tubeless.
03-14-17, 08:08 PM
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For me, sidewall punctures as GP4k has no sidewall protection worth mentioning. Since switching to tires that do, zero punctures. My GP4K looked shredded, stupidly and frustratingly so. Clearly I am in minority, but GP4K are not every day tires for me. I rode them all along east coast MA and got flats all over. I am not a fan, and have talked to some shop owners in the area, haven't met too many fans among them either, just not that durable. Could be MA drivers are so bad (accidents), there is just too much miniscule glass here that shred GP4K.
03-15-17, 07:36 AM
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For me, sidewall punctures as GP4k has no sidewall protection worth mentioning. Since switching to tires that do, zero punctures. My GP4K looked shredded, stupidly and frustratingly so. Clearly I am in minority, but GP4K are not every day tires for me. I rode them all along east coast MA and got flats all over. I am not a fan, and have talked to some shop owners in the area, haven't met too many fans among them either, just not that durable. Could be MA drivers are so bad (accidents), there is just too much miniscule glass here that shred GP4K.
03-15-17, 08:02 AM
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I didn't have to "fix flat" on the road. Almost every puncture was either repaired without me noticing till when I put the bike on stand to maintain/clean (the... dried sealant) or sealed up in middle of ride. 2 times, it didn't and those were side wall cuts that I wouldn't have bothered riding with tubed tires either... (risky) One of flat that sealed up was pretty long (about 1/3 inch) and while it sealed up, I wasn't comfortable keep on riding it like that so I patched it from inside and rode the tire till it balded...
Yes you can just throw a tube in. In fact, I have a tube in my saddleback that hasn't seen it's use for last 1.5 years. Tubeless tires are a little harder to mount/dismount than some tires typically so that would be the hardest part for you on the road. After that would be the sealant to deal with (nice if you have a rag... if not... just deal with the mess). I've have 3 different tubeless wheelset and mounting and dismounting is all different. HED Ardennes was super easy (no levers needed), Reynolds Assault/Strike SLG (lever needed but not too bad), Token C50 (lever required and I would much prefer using tire jack on this one at home than on road). All using Schwalbe Pro One. They are slightly more effort than Michelin Pro 4 Service course on same rims respectively.
I do suggest carrying CO2 cartridges instead of pumps as if the tire unseated while sealing up, burst of pressure might be needed to reseat it (happens when you had to go more on big puncture and air got below 30-40 psi on some rims...)
I am so much in tubeless camp at this point that I didn't even get Zipp or Enve as they don't really offer one... till now... Waiting for Enve 3.4 which is finally tubeless ready this year.
Yes you can just throw a tube in. In fact, I have a tube in my saddleback that hasn't seen it's use for last 1.5 years. Tubeless tires are a little harder to mount/dismount than some tires typically so that would be the hardest part for you on the road. After that would be the sealant to deal with (nice if you have a rag... if not... just deal with the mess). I've have 3 different tubeless wheelset and mounting and dismounting is all different. HED Ardennes was super easy (no levers needed), Reynolds Assault/Strike SLG (lever needed but not too bad), Token C50 (lever required and I would much prefer using tire jack on this one at home than on road). All using Schwalbe Pro One. They are slightly more effort than Michelin Pro 4 Service course on same rims respectively.
I do suggest carrying CO2 cartridges instead of pumps as if the tire unseated while sealing up, burst of pressure might be needed to reseat it (happens when you had to go more on big puncture and air got below 30-40 psi on some rims...)
I am so much in tubeless camp at this point that I didn't even get Zipp or Enve as they don't really offer one... till now... Waiting for Enve 3.4 which is finally tubeless ready this year.
03-23-17, 07:47 AM
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Order the Rubino Pro G+. They were just the cheapest by the time I went to pull the trigger, at least in 25mm. I'll probably wait to use them until my current rear tire wears out.
03-24-17, 12:06 AM
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I've been using conti 4000s2 in NYC for a bit now. Not bulletproof but impressive considering just how bad our streets are. If you need to step up the puncture protection, the Conti 4 season is a good choice over the Gatorskin.
03-24-17, 07:28 AM
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I recently changed the tyres on my winter bike from Conti 4 Seasons to Michelin Power Endurance and I'm VERY impressed, they have much lower rolling resistance.
03-24-17, 08:55 AM
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I commute 3-4 times a week roughly 12 miles each way. Much of it on crushed granite bike paths. I also sometime race or go on race 'simulation' type rides. Right now I'm using one of the higher end Specialized tires - would have to look at it to tell you the model lol. I like it a lot and it handles all of the above pretty well.
One thing I do that I don't know why others don't is run sealant in my tubes (regular tubes - latex isn't worth it). I use Orange Seal which, on a side note, is made in the same city I live in - Cedar Park, TX (what are the odds?
). It will save your backside in both a race or a commute.
I've tried a lot of different tires. Only two I didn't care for were the Maxxis Re-Fuse and Conti Gatorskins.
One thing I do that I don't know why others don't is run sealant in my tubes (regular tubes - latex isn't worth it). I use Orange Seal which, on a side note, is made in the same city I live in - Cedar Park, TX (what are the odds?
). It will save your backside in both a race or a commute. I've tried a lot of different tires. Only two I didn't care for were the Maxxis Re-Fuse and Conti Gatorskins.
