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Old 05-25-23, 08:11 AM
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Is painting a frame worth it?

I’v just acquired a 1986 Bianchi Squadra that was originally the Electric Rose color. It is badly faded…to the point where only the underside of the tubing retains the original color. Is it worth it to disassemble and paint the frame? I paid only $25 for the bike and it rides great. Thanks for any responses. No pics yet…you know, newbie rules.

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I’v just acquired a 1986 Bianchi Squadra that was originally the Electric Rose color. It is badly faded…to the point where only the underside of the tubing retains the original color. Is it worth it to disassemble and paint the frame? I paid only $25 for the bike an it rides great. Thanks for any responses. No pics yet…you know, newbie rules.
If it fits you and you say it rides great then most certainly it is worth it. Not sure if the Squadra is Taiwanese manufacture or tig welded or lugged or italian made - but depending on the construction if it is more utilitarian construction then this would be a good candidate for powder coating. Powder coating is the more affordable option and if done properly is a very durable finish. If the Squadra is some kind of collectible lugged Italian made Bianchi (maybe with chromed lugs or chromed fork or rear triangle) and you are interested in a full restoration then a proper repaint with multiple sprayed coats wet sanded in between, replacement decals sourced and applied, then clear coated over the top all for $$$.
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That is definitely a question each individual will need to answer on their own.
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The Strada (at least of that generation) was an entry level bike.

If there is no rust present, and simply faded paint, I would have a hard time putting the money and effort into a paint or even powder coat.

There are too many better bicycles to be found with great paint and likely with higher end construction/parts...for the cost of the refinishing of your entry level bike.

Just ride it!
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Originally Posted by scrandalla
No pics yet…you know, newbie rules.
While you can't include pics in your posts yet, you can create a personal album under your BF user profile and upload photos there. If you do that, post the fact you've done it here and another member can (and almost certainly will) provide a "pic assist".
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Even though that was a "mid level" bike in its day, it has the same lugged Columbus frame as some of its more expensive siblings, and as you found out, are a great riding bike. Since it's not really collectible, go ahead and do a powder coat. It's definitely worth it. I'd call that frame a keeper.
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Here's another thread on that model of Bianchi.
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It may be possible that if you use an automotive rubbing compound on it, followed by polishing compound that some of the color may come back. It may be worth a try. If you don't have rubbing compound and just want to see if it is possible to get some color back try using toothpaste in an inconspicuous location. I try to reserve painting as the last thing to do after trying other things like touching up and polishing first.
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Originally Posted by scrandalla
No pics yet…you know, newbie rules.
While you can't include pics in your posts yet, you can create a personal album under your BF user profile and upload photos there. If you do that, post the fact you've done it here and another member can (and almost certainly will) provide a "pic assist".
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With a good cleaning, polish and wax, I'd imagine that frame would look just fine without a repaint.
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Agree with CO_Hoya. Clean, rub, polish, ride with pride.
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I would leave it as it is. Yes the color is faded, very common for reds and pinks, it's not coming back with a rub down.
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Is it 'worth it' in the sense that you would recuperate the cost when you sell it? No.
Is it 'worth it' in the sense of you taking pride in restoring the frame, and this is a beautiful color by the way? Yes, of course.
That goes for a lot of things we do here in C&V-land. It's not going to make financial or any other kind of sense.

BTW, there are some nasty low grade components on this bike. This is a mid range Bianchi. It must have left with factory with better components than these.
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I have splurged on exactly one professional repaint job, the 1959 Capo in 2003. Doing so probably made no economic sense whatsoever, but it does look stunning, and my wife regarded the expenditure as her 30th anniversary present to me.

I have rattle-canned a couple of lesser transportation beater bikes, but I wouldn't do that to anything halfway decent with original paint.
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Originally Posted by John E
I have splurged on exactly one professional repaint job, the 1959 Capo in 2003. Doing so probably made no economic sense whatsoever, but it does look stunning, and my wife regarded the expenditure as her 30th anniversary present to me.

I have rattle-canned a couple of lesser transportation beater bikes, but I wouldn't do that to anything halfway decent with original paint.
You beat me to the rattle-can suggestion. His Bianchi looks fine, as it stands, and not worth the effort for a home spray.
Now, let's see your '59 Capo!
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I have rattle-canned a couple of lesser transportation beater bikes, but I wouldn't do that to anything halfway decent with original paint.
I understand your point, but what about a rattle can clear coat as lesser sacrilege? I had what I thought was a successful outcome a few years ago with an old mountain bike with scratches and chips - strip down, clean, polish and then a simple rattle can clear coat just to make the most of whatever shine there still was, offer some protection.
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You beat me to the rattle-can suggestion. His Bianchi looks fine, as it stands, and not worth the effort for a home spray.
Now, let's see your '59 Capo!
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With a good cleaning, polish and wax, I'd imagine that frame would look just fine without a repaint.
100% agree do not paint, you will lose a lot of just plain cool Clean, polish and wax or ceramic coat

beyont that doing a good paint job is labor, chemical and cost intensive if you want it to last

paint from hardware stores can look great but is not durable

to get a good paint job
  1. all components off
  2. strip all paint from frame
  3. clean with paint prep, gloves only fron now on
  4. acid etch primer
  5. Sanding primer
  6. sand
  7. dust
  8. clean
  9. multiple coats of color closely following repaint time (don't forget respirator)
  10. multople coats of clear
  11. Decals if you can get them
  12. more clear

or powder coat
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Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee
Is it 'worth it' in the sense that you would recuperate the cost when you sell it? No.
Is it 'worth it' in the sense of you taking pride in restoring the frame, and this is a beautiful color by the way? Yes, of course.
That goes for a lot of things we do here in C&V-land. It's not going to make financial or any other kind of sense.
That's exactly the way I'd view it. There are essentially five cost levels here:

1. Wash, polish, and lube everything
2. Wash, polish, and lube everything, plus replace worn out cables, tires, and chain
3. Strip it down and spray paint it yourself
4. Strip it down and send it out for powder coating
5. Strip it down and send it out for professional re-painting

If you intend to resell the bike, level 1 on this list is the only one that's going to add more value than it costs, and even that would be debatable on a more collectible bike. If the bike is the right size for you, I'd recommend going with number 2 and then ride it at least a few hundred miles to decide if you want to throw more money into it. Cost level 3 (spray paint) might sound like it's cheaper than number 4 (powder coat), but by the time you've bought paint, primer, drop cloths, sandpaper, cleaning supplies, etc.., it's really not much more to go with a simple, one- color powder coat. There is a lot more satisfaction in painting it yourself if it comes out looking good, but spray paint will never be anywhere near as durable and the first few times you do it won't look as good as powder coating. Professional paint is really expensive, and should be reserved for bikes that you really love.

Because we like pics here, I'm going to share one each from my collection to compare and contrast, spray paint, powder, and pro paint. I think this really highlights the value of powder coating.

Rust-Oleum spray paint with cheap (diylettering.com) decals:





Very good powder coating (Groody Bros) with replacement decals





Top-notch professional paint (Jeff Bock) with replacement decals





Up close and in person, there's no question about the relative quality of these. The pro paint is simply fantastic. It also cost three times as much as the powder coating. I paid $350 for the powder coating, including decal application and hand-paint fill of the fork crown. You can get a simple powder coat for less than half of that. The spray paint looks pretty good from 10 feet away, but it has some texture, and within 100 miles it was starting to chip.

My recommendations:

Beater bike -- wash (optional) and ride
Beater bike with paint and/or rust so nasty that it makes you not want to ride it -- spray paint if you want the experience of painting a bike, otherwise recycle and find something else
Daily rider that you really like with paint that can't be touched up -- powder coat
Show piece or the pride of your bike collection -- professional paint
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Originally Posted by Mr. 66
I would leave it as it is. Yes the color is faded, very common for reds and pinks, it's not coming back with a rub down.
It won't add luster/lustre, but it sure will look nicer without the competition from the accumulated crud that would come off easily with even a mild cleaning.
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With a good cleaning, polish and wax, I'd imagine that frame would look just fine without a repaint.
This bike oozes mojo as is!
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+1 for cleaning i/o painting here. And even before that if you could set that saddle on a trajectory, it would do wonders to the overall look, but its just my opinion.
Now I scrolled back to see if that is really that bad, and my opinion didn't change. But I have one question. Is it your riding height? In case yes, this frame might be too big for you.
Tiny EGOist, my Rossin triathlon went from a dark blue to roughly as light as yours (but in a mix of silver/blue/violet), I still hesitate to repaing as it would lose the special factor.
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Haha, a new saddle is on the way. This one has got to go. The frame is 53cm so there was only one size smaller…a 50cm I think. When the new saddle arrives I’ll play with the height. It’s a close call on the size but hey, $25. The quill stem is odd…not OEM. If it were replaced with the right one then it would help correct the geometry.

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I've repainted two frames in my long life of cycling and wrenching.

The first one, the frame painter let me do the stripping and sanding to save money. That ended up being a bad idea because it took so long and was so annoying. I was happy with the result of his painting however.

The second one was a frame my friend had stripped and primed before selling it to me. I hand painted it with a brush. Considering my low skill level and the fact that this is my commuter bike, I'm happy with the result, but this was also a much bigger project than I had anticipated.

So whether you do it or get help, it's a big deal. If you have it done entirely by someone else, it's expensive. So whichever way you do it, it's worth it only if it's a frame you love very much.

I'm facing the decision with a third frame, and I've been putting it off for years. It's an eyesore, and it might rust if I don't get to it soon enough. I'll probably do whatever is cheap and quick.
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I've repainted two frames in my long life of cycling and wrenching.

The first one, the frame painter let me do the stripping and sanding to save money. That ended up being a bad idea because it took so long and was so annoying. I was happy with the result of his painting however.

The second one was a frame my friend had stripped and primed before selling it to me. I hand painted it with a brush. Considering my low skill level and the fact that this is my commuter bike, I'm happy with the result, but this was also a much bigger project than I had anticipated.

So whether you do it or get help, it's a big deal. If you have it done entirely by someone else, it's expensive. So whichever way you do it, it's worth it only if it's a frame you love very much.

I'm facing the decision with a third frame, and I've been putting it off for years. It's an eyesore, and it might rust if I don't get to it soon enough. I'll probably do whatever is cheap and quick.
Tom, depending on your needs, really good results can be achieved today with a dremel, or etching jelly when it comes to stripping. Also today's rattlecans are way better than what was available 10 or more years ago.
I don't say, the whole act became as easy pouring a glass of water, but also not an everlasting torture with necessary crappy results anymore. Just stay away from the 2K "real" car laquers, which are the real stuff what car painters use in a can, but that does not mean they do not require the same professional safety equipment they (should) use when they spray with a compressor.
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