Identifying a Peugeot
06-06-21, 10:14 PM
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Identifying a Peugeot
Hi all.
I'm wondering if anyone could ID this bike. The seller knows nothing about it and can't even tell me if the frame is lugged, because I can't actually tell from the picture. I'm hoping really just for a ballpark on year and model. I know nothing really about Peugeot bikes.
Thanks in advance!
I'm wondering if anyone could ID this bike. The seller knows nothing about it and can't even tell me if the frame is lugged, because I can't actually tell from the picture. I'm hoping really just for a ballpark on year and model. I know nothing really about Peugeot bikes.
Thanks in advance!
06-07-21, 02:53 AM
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1985 Peugeot PH 10LE
Hi all.
I'm wondering if anyone could ID this bike. The seller knows nothing about it and can't even tell me if the frame is lugged, because I can't actually tell from the picture. I'm hoping really just for a ballpark on year and model. I know nothing really about Peugeot bikes.
I'm wondering if anyone could ID this bike. The seller knows nothing about it and can't even tell me if the frame is lugged, because I can't actually tell from the picture. I'm hoping really just for a ballpark on year and model. I know nothing really about Peugeot bikes.
Appears to be a 1985 Peugeot PH 10LE. Here's a link to the catalog page:
https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broc...20Page%205.jpg
In the early 80's Peugeot as well as Gitane and Motobecane started producing lugless frames to lower production costs to compete against Asian manufactured lugged frame bikes which were taking over the European and US markets.
"Preforms" of brazing material are placed inside the tubing and then hearth or oven brazed. The preform melts and forms a lugless joint. The French bike manufacturers billed this as some kind of new process but the technique has been used for joints in tubing such as furniture for many decades.
I prefer lugged construction but I've never seen frame failure in one of those French made frames. I have seen failures in cheap US made department store bike frames in the past.
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06-07-21, 06:31 AM
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I'm not sure, but did Peugeot just rename their already tried and true "Carbolite 103" tubing to "HLE" as a marketing update, or is HLE entirely different from Carbolite?
Frankly, I find the "Carbolite" name cooler than what sounded like just a Frenchified way to call "High Tensile" steel tubing.....
Frankly, I find the "Carbolite" name cooler than what sounded like just a Frenchified way to call "High Tensile" steel tubing.....
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06-07-21, 07:10 AM
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The photo isn't mine. It's what the seller is using. I would have shot the drive side for certain. But thanks for the info. Very helpful.
06-07-21, 07:21 AM
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Agreed, it appears to be a circa 1985-1986, upper entry level, Peugeot PH10LE. The model number will be on the small label at the front of the non-drive side chainstay (circled in photo). The serial will indicate the month, year and factory of manufacture.
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I'm not sure, but did Peugeot just rename their already tried and true "Carbolite 103" tubing to "HLE" as a marketing update, or is HLE entirely different from Carbolite?
Frankly, I find the "Carbolite" name cooler than what sounded like just a Frenchified way to call "High Tensile" steel tubing.....
Frankly, I find the "Carbolite" name cooler than what sounded like just a Frenchified way to call "High Tensile" steel tubing.....
Carbolite 103 description from 1982 catalog:
Based on the "tubing made from a composition in carbon steel unique to Peugeot" in the description and the number "103", it has been speculated that Carbolite 103 is either AISI 1030 carbon steel or a slight variation of that alloy.
HLE, according to Peugeot literature, stands for "Haute Limite Elastique", and is a micro-alloyed steel containing Manganese, Niobium, Aluminum, Carbon, and Titanium. It is a "mangalloy" steel.
So, basically, HLE likely has a higher ultimate tensile strength and yield strength than Carbolite 103, and can therefore be drawn with thinner walls (less material = less weight).
Based on the "tubing made from a composition in carbon steel unique to Peugeot" in the description and the number "103", it has been speculated that Carbolite 103 is either AISI 1030 carbon steel or a slight variation of that alloy.
HLE, according to Peugeot literature, stands for "Haute Limite Elastique", and is a micro-alloyed steel containing Manganese, Niobium, Aluminum, Carbon, and Titanium. It is a "mangalloy" steel.
So, basically, HLE likely has a higher ultimate tensile strength and yield strength than Carbolite 103, and can therefore be drawn with thinner walls (less material = less weight).
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06-07-21, 09:23 AM
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Thanks all. I knew I came to the right place.
In my crash course in Peugeot bikes over the last 24 hours, this model seems to have numerous devotees. The seller is asking $350, which I think is aggressive. She's also claiming it's a carbon frame, which is patently silly. What do you folks think is a fair price for this, ballparkish?
In my crash course in Peugeot bikes over the last 24 hours, this model seems to have numerous devotees. The seller is asking $350, which I think is aggressive. She's also claiming it's a carbon frame, which is patently silly. What do you folks think is a fair price for this, ballparkish?
06-07-21, 01:19 PM
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$350 is definitely too high. The bike is upper entry level, I would think $275, max., would be a more appropriate price for the bike, if the bike is in very good to close to mint condition,..... which is a very good value as Peugeot frames made from Carbolite 103 and HLE tubing are widely known to be bulletproof, very good handling frames.
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