non-fixie 

I don't recall ever seeing a Superia this nice, but I certainly haven't seen them all. I have seen nice Plums, but I am not familiar enough with those. English threading points towards Belgium rather than Italy, although I have just bought an Italian frame with English threads ...

jdawginsc 

I guess a shop build could have imported from Italy (Rizzatos, Billatos, Barcos, Torressini, some smaller northern Milanese group or something), but then specified English thread for their clientele...

Motorrad

Nuovo Record The frame is 126 cm. Today I took off the shifters and all cable guides from the frame, weighted it again and now is 2000 grams but I am using a cheap bathroom scale. I will buy today a kitchen scale and see the real weight again. I looked all over the frame hoping I'll find some numbers stamped, but nothing yet. Also I looked for some hints on the fork, all I got was a V written on the tube.

I took two more pictures from inside BB and seat tube. There is bright red. Probably the original color of the frame.

oneclick 

I use one of those digital luggage scales, I bought several and they all showed the same for a number of things I weighed as tests so they are consistent at least, likely pretty accurate considering the current state of electronic sensor tech. The one I got has a short loop of string on one end, a big enough hook at the other, and after you take the frame off the hook it holds the reading.

And they're cheap.

Motorrad

Weighted the frame with a kitchen scale ( oneclick I didn't found a luggage scale near my home) and the result is 2017 grams for the frame, without the fork. With the fork it has 2751 grams.
Pretty disappointed that is not a Colnago Sport. Still hope we can find the manufacturer as I think is still a good frame.

tricky 

I don't think you should be too disappointed. It looks like a very nice frame. Hopefully the team will get to the bottom of it what it is. And you would be forgiven for keeping the Colnago decals on there and riding it as is.

jdawginsc 

I am pretty sure the frame is a step above Colnago Sport, honestly.

Nuovo Record

2,017 grams for the frame still seems a bit heavy to me but my frames are smaller. Maybe someone with a frame of the same height could weigh his and indicate the frame material?

Your frame looks similar to a 1977/78 Colnago Super I once had, but that one had Colnago strokes and clovers engraved. Also the decals were different.

Your frame was once red, and underneath the blue "Colnago" paint it still is. Strip that blue paint with chemicals, and you might see some old brand name.

non-fixie 

Interesting. Isn't the filed flat on the steerer a typically French trademark?

jdawginsc 

The mystery thickens...

it is a Belgian frame made in Burgundy...the frame builder spoke Italian and the frame was shipped to Netherlands for painting.

Nuovo Record

Then sold in Germany. Well, Hugo Rickert from Dortmund built with Reynolds, and some of his frames had "English" bottom bracket shells. He engraved his "R" symbol on the fork-crown but maybe not (or not always) on the frame.

Have you all seen my other "frame-teller" thread...?

JohnDThompson 

The different dropout treatment on the fork and frame suggests to me that the fork may not be original to the frame.

tricky 

What's different about them? Aren't they both campy? Are they from different eras?

JohnDThompson 

The rear stays are finished with a diagonal cut where they meet the dropout, and the brass is recessed within the stays. The fork blade ends are closed, domed ends.

jdawginsc 

Yep...responded to it.

Motorrad

I looked on the Hugo Rickert bikes, many similarities but not all. I would like to find the manufacturer to restore it to original state. Probably I'll have to take off the decals and begin to slowly take off the blue layer of paint, maybe I'll find something there.

Nuovo Record

A regular paint stripper will do it. I wouldn´t sandblast the frame.

Are you really sure your bottom bracket shell is "English"? How wide is it, 68 mm or 70 mm?

Here is a website that specialises in Italian frames:

https://www.frameteller.it/

Motorrad

Sadly yes, is 68 wide, 24 inner diameter. I put an Italian Campagnolo cup (36x24) over the BB in the last picture, is clearly bigger and also thread direction won't fit.

Nuovo Record

This should be "English". Does the fork have a matching thread?

Motorrad

I had at home a Campagnolo Nuovo Record headset 25.4 x 24F and I was able to screw it on the fork thread. I believe that 25.4 x 24F is an Italian thread but 1″ x 24 tpi - British would be the same size, so it can be Italian or British, but not French (25 x 1).

Nuovo Record

An "Italian" headset would screw on an "English" fork, too, if you try a little harder. The threads are quite similar. If you can find an "English" headset, try that one as well.

Motorrad

I kept looking to find the builder of this frame and after some time I found that 1977 Raleigh Professional Mk V seems to match. It has the same lugs, same dropouts, same braze-on cable guides, English BB and fork thread, same fork crown and also the same original blue color. Does anybody owns the Raleigh bike to tell me if is really the same? Raleigh has Reynolds 531 tubing.

Nuovo Record

I suggest you start another thread with a different headline to catch the attention of the Raleigh cognoscenti here.