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09-11-22, 08:45 AM
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My first time clipless was hilarious. I was riding my mtn. bike and slipped on some tree roots and fell over. I was head down on a steep slope and I couldn't unclip; I had the tension WAY too high. I had to wait for another rider to come up and help me. She got my feet loose and after she finished giggling, she admitted the same had happened to her years ago.
Spinning a high cadence on flats seems like a recipe for disaster; especially in wet weather. Climbing double digit grades on flats doesn't seem like a good idea, either.
Perhaps if the OP were to try riding a track bike, he might like clipless pedals.
(please don't ride fixed gear bikes without foot retention!)
Spinning a high cadence on flats seems like a recipe for disaster; especially in wet weather. Climbing double digit grades on flats doesn't seem like a good idea, either.
Perhaps if the OP were to try riding a track bike, he might like clipless pedals.
(please don't ride fixed gear bikes without foot retention!)
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09-11-22, 08:46 AM
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09-11-22, 09:02 AM
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09-11-22, 09:05 AM
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09-11-22, 11:11 AM
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09-11-22, 11:48 AM
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I think I’ve used the expression, “The data suggest…“
09-11-22, 11:56 AM
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At the risk of interrupting a grammer lesson I would just like to say these clipless deniers obviously never sprint. I practice up muscle routines just because when your strongest muscles are giving out you recruit any muscle left. I have crashed the trainer doing sprints. Still slow tho.
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Data doesn't wear plaid .... well, he might, in a holodeck fantasy .....
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At the risk of interrupting a grammer lesson I would just like to say these clipless deniers obviously never sprint. I practice up muscle routines just because when your strongest muscles are giving out you recruit any muscle left. I have crashed the trainer doing sprints. Still slow tho.
And yeah, all-out sprints and steep climbs really benefit from clipless pedals. But again, a noob like VegasJen has no clue.
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09-11-22, 01:12 PM
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Yes, I find that my feet slide around slightly when climbing out of the saddle on flat pedals with pins. That is why I have been planning to go clipless.
09-11-22, 01:13 PM
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BTW, for the OP - as someone above said, you'd benefit from learning how and when to shift. Also, you might benefit from spending time and effort on bike set up and maintenance. With the derailleurs and shifters set up properly, and shifted properly, you shouldn't find yourself stalling out and dropping the chain, pedal type notwithstanding.
What is the point of this thread?
I’ve fallen a few times. The first was the traditional “just forgot” about three rides in. Another on the MTB trying to ride around an obstacle where I should have dismounted. The last one was after a long stint on MTB pedals I switched to my road bike and my muscle memory couldn’t handle the change in twist effort.
You should try MTB SPD. They’re easier to clip out of.
https://www.bikeradar.com/advice/buy...spd-vs-spd-sl/
I’ve fallen a few times. The first was the traditional “just forgot” about three rides in. Another on the MTB trying to ride around an obstacle where I should have dismounted. The last one was after a long stint on MTB pedals I switched to my road bike and my muscle memory couldn’t handle the change in twist effort.
You should try MTB SPD. They’re easier to clip out of.
https://www.bikeradar.com/advice/buy...spd-vs-spd-sl/
“ I hate meeces to pieces”. Let’s debate the plural of Meece.
Have to agree the OP came to argue and even though there are excellent points made about learning how to properly use cleats in a safe environment and learning to downshift early on hills have fallen on deaf ears. People come to boards like this to learn from people with more experience and not to berate them because you personally disagree. This is not a good way to make friends or add credibility to future posts or discussions. I can understand getting mad because you fell, but hell we all fall when we first try them, just like learning to ride a bike, but we didn’t learn to ride a bike going up or down hills but on safe flats and with a fair amount of practice. Blame the equipment all you want but your lapse in judgment by not learning how to use them in a safe environment and learning to properly downshift before stalling is more at fault. I liken this to never having driven a stick shift and jumping into one for the first time and thinking you know how to drive it and then stalling it and stalling it trying to go up a hill and then declaring that all cars with sticks are bogus and that anyone who drives one has been duped and is an idiot because they want to be like race car drivers. It’s not the equipment its you and your attitude. And if you can provide one link to a credible study by a research institute or university about the lack of efficiency or efficacy compared to flats, I will be more than happy to read it.
Pedal what want but shaming everyone else who doesn’t agree with your point of view that have ages of experience just makes you look bad.
Rant on but your credibility is shot. And I could care less what pedals you do or do not use. To each their own.
How’s that flame suit holding up? You knew you would stir up a hornets nest but still you did it. All I can ask is why? Because you wanted to vent? With an audience of mostly men, that doesn’t go over real big.
Have to agree the OP came to argue and even though there are excellent points made about learning how to properly use cleats in a safe environment and learning to downshift early on hills have fallen on deaf ears. People come to boards like this to learn from people with more experience and not to berate them because you personally disagree. This is not a good way to make friends or add credibility to future posts or discussions. I can understand getting mad because you fell, but hell we all fall when we first try them, just like learning to ride a bike, but we didn’t learn to ride a bike going up or down hills but on safe flats and with a fair amount of practice. Blame the equipment all you want but your lapse in judgment by not learning how to use them in a safe environment and learning to properly downshift before stalling is more at fault. I liken this to never having driven a stick shift and jumping into one for the first time and thinking you know how to drive it and then stalling it and stalling it trying to go up a hill and then declaring that all cars with sticks are bogus and that anyone who drives one has been duped and is an idiot because they want to be like race car drivers. It’s not the equipment its you and your attitude. And if you can provide one link to a credible study by a research institute or university about the lack of efficiency or efficacy compared to flats, I will be more than happy to read it.
Pedal what want but shaming everyone else who doesn’t agree with your point of view that have ages of experience just makes you look bad.
Rant on but your credibility is shot. And I could care less what pedals you do or do not use. To each their own.
How’s that flame suit holding up? You knew you would stir up a hornets nest but still you did it. All I can ask is why? Because you wanted to vent? With an audience of mostly men, that doesn’t go over real big.
It's funny. I come here with an opinion contrary to cycling dogma and people treat me like I have never ridden a bike before. I took my training wheels off and slapped on a pair of Looks. Ya, that's what happened.
Don't know. Don't care.
Really? Per your post: "What I see from it is there is a lot of expense and risk with very little benefit. I tried to determine when and who might benefit from clipping in and to be fair, I suppose if you do a lot of riding in the rain or snow or an oil storm(?) then I can see how keeping your feet clipped to the pedals could give you some reassurance. " Doesn't exactly sound like you find them useful for those (most of us) who ride iin mostly decent weather. I ride flats, but not saying those who aren't riding in "rain or snow or an oil storm" will find no benefit. Trying to hide the fact you think clipless are of no benefit by saying "you do you" is lame at best.
09-11-22, 01:48 PM
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I'm not going to debate whether or not clipless is a part of "cycling dogma," but the issue isn't your opinion of as it relates to you and your riding. The problem is your judgement of others, based on your (very clearly limited) experience and a youtube video or two. Stop trying to draw (mostly demeaning) conclusions on the value to others when you haven't a clue as to how or why some of us ride.
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The datum is a single measurement.
The data are a set of measurements.
The data-set is a collection of measurements.
Many people use "data" interchangeably with "data-set". Since we aren't writing in Latin, a little bit of flexibility is appropriate.
British people say stuff like "the crowd are going wild." It isn't grammatically wrong. It is purely convention. (They invented the English language, so it is very hard to make the case that it is grammatically or in any other way incorrect.)
The data are a set of measurements.
The data-set is a collection of measurements.
Many people use "data" interchangeably with "data-set". Since we aren't writing in Latin, a little bit of flexibility is appropriate.
British people say stuff like "the crowd are going wild." It isn't grammatically wrong. It is purely convention. (They invented the English language, so it is very hard to make the case that it is grammatically or in any other way incorrect.)
09-11-22, 01:57 PM
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Everyone has done the "clip out wrong foot and fall over in slow motion" bit on road pedals. I thought I'd avoid it by practicing unclipping and clipping in on the trainer, only to do the slow motion fall with the right foot clipped out and me tipping over the left side, right on my parking lot. Then I got the hang of it, only to do the slow motion fall in front of about a hundred cyclists while waiting for a granfondo to start 🤣
You learn not to do it and it becomes instinctive to lean the bike over to the side you do your unclipping on. It helps to use the lower tension setting at the start because you can save it sometimes if you do the wrong thing. Now I use the Looks with the 16Nm carbon plates on my road bike, because the pedals came with it, and the high tension hasn't been an issue.
I do commute on flats, though, because life is just easier that way in start and stop traffic. However, on my road bike I can't imagine putting on anything other than road pedals.
As far as the benefits are concerned, GCN also found the same thing as everyone with a powermeter did; you can sprint much harder with clipless. The difference is so stark you don't even need any statistical analysis nor fancy equipment.
You learn not to do it and it becomes instinctive to lean the bike over to the side you do your unclipping on. It helps to use the lower tension setting at the start because you can save it sometimes if you do the wrong thing. Now I use the Looks with the 16Nm carbon plates on my road bike, because the pedals came with it, and the high tension hasn't been an issue.
I do commute on flats, though, because life is just easier that way in start and stop traffic. However, on my road bike I can't imagine putting on anything other than road pedals.
As far as the benefits are concerned, GCN also found the same thing as everyone with a powermeter did; you can sprint much harder with clipless. The difference is so stark you don't even need any statistical analysis nor fancy equipment.
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09-11-22, 02:13 PM
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Big Clipless is suppressing all of the datums that undermine its claim to supremacy.
09-11-22, 02:19 PM
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09-11-22, 02:24 PM
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OK, I won't take offense to your presumption that I'm an idiot and we'll just address the point. Even if I "learned to shift" and even if I spent time and effort on "bike set up and maintenance" and even if everything worked just perfectly. The point is that I still see no benefit, or at least minimal benefit, to me in the way and normal conditions in which I ride. But people are focusing on shifting and maintenance because that's easier than addressing what I said.
I don't think you're an idiot. I think you're a novice. I suggested you adjust your setup and your use of gearing because the problem you had with clipless pedals had almost nothing to do with the clipless pedals in the first place. You stalled out because you didn't change gears soon enough (technique), and then dropped the chain (technique and adjustment). I ride 130-160 miles a week, on roads with lots of climbing, and I don't get in that situation because I shift before it's too late, AND I spend a lot of time and effort making sure my derailleurs and cables are in good shape and well adjusted. If I need to shift while standing on the pedals, I lighten the pressure on the pedals for half a rotation and the gear changes without graunching or dropping the chain.
You don't have to ride clipless pedals to be a "real" cyclist, but again, the problems you had with them had mostly to do with everything else but the pedals. You fell over because of a problem with the bike and you couldn't get your foot out in time. So, maybe work on how not to encounter the problems that caused you to have to clip out in the first place.
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Oh, and in the very same post you say,
And then you say,
So, you're new to serious road cycling, and you come here and ask the questions someone new to serious road cycling would ask, but if people respond to you as if you're new to serious road cycling, you get your nose out of joint. O-o-okay....
I may be new to cycling, at least as a serious hobby...
...people treat me like I have never ridden a bike before.
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Guess what? 99.9% of the people in that club which had an average age in their 50's were using clipless pedals
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