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Are there really any classic and or vintage rules?

Old 07-31-20, 07:33 AM
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I have found over the years I have "guidelines" but not hard rules for what I am comfortable with. As an example hitting 70 and loss of flexibility has me raising bars on my customs with Technomics but I can't seem to do it on my Italians, one of which for reasons unknown still have the mechanical mess, but gorgeous, Deltas that have next to no modulation, often just two states, go or locked up.
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Old 07-31-20, 08:07 AM
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When you break "The Rules", just confess and be done with it. We don't want to hear any excuses. That is one of the rules.
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When you break "The Rules", just confess and be done with it. We don't want to hear any excuses. That is one of the rules.
Sorry, I didn't know about that rule.
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Old 08-03-20, 11:35 AM
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Hmmmm. Surprised not to see more Bridgestones

I love these pics and the waterford is going to be great....More pics
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Old 08-03-20, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by dharring67 View Post
I love these pics and the waterford is going to be great....More pics
Rule #8 : Stay on topic.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
#1 Don't buy a '80s or older steel bike because " I like vintage bikes " and upgrade it with a carbon brifter group, wheels and fork

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Mmm, cheesecake!!! 😍 I might have to indulge again soon. 😎
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Old 08-03-20, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cs1 View Post
are there really any rules for what we consider a classic or vintage bike?
1999 Waterford. full Reynolds 531 frame lugged wit a 1Ē fork. no down tube bosses
most folks would say itís a typical 80ís era bike.
I would say Classic, I think of vintage as drilled out components, bar mounted bidons and tyres around your shoulders.
I' am in the middle of a similar build with a Masi Special Ltd, OS lugless with 1 1/8" but the effect using some rules I arrived at has made a massive difference to the original modern fixie appearance.
1/ Alloy or polished finish: get all the colour off. Blackened components didn't really take off until the 90's (hard anodised rims the exception)
2/ Thin: Rims (15mm profile max.), Cranks (defined arms, no heavy spiders), spokes (std or DB), Bars (26mm max. no large dia.), Brakes (DP ok but thin profile.)
3/ Solid colour: seat, bar tape and cables preferably black or white but brown, silver or other that works ok but definitely single solid colour.
I thought originally the oversize tubes and steerer would be a problem but the component choice has reduced their visual impact.
Thin appearance/profile and alloy/polished finish is the key.
Oh yeh, if you are ever going threadless use a 17' stem, nothing kills a classic look like having the bars sticking up in the air.
Good luck with the project.
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Old 08-03-20, 05:50 PM
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Rules are allot like badges
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Old 08-03-20, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
OK. One rule. Tell Dave to shorten his brake cables, or he gets the pump.
That's the way we liked it in the 70s. "Poofy" break cables.
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Old 08-03-20, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by oldlady62 View Post
That's the way we liked it in the 70s. "Poofy" break cables.
Sounds like that Seinfeld episode, with puffy shirts. 🙄😁
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Keep your vintage bike in the living room & clean it with furniture polish.
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Old 08-03-20, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
Rule #8 : Stay on topic.
There is no Rule #8 .

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Old 08-03-20, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by thinktubes View Post
Rules are for small minds.
There is great wisdom in the rules.

And as the rules are wholly imaginary, you are free to create them to your own standards.
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Old 08-03-20, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ryansu View Post
My mind always goes to this parody of that quote:

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Originally Posted by stardognine View Post
Sounds like that Seinfeld episode, with puffy shirts. 🙄😁
But I don't wanna be a pirate.
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Old 08-03-20, 09:41 PM
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Waterford 531

Is your 1999 Waterford a W13 model? I have a W13 model I believe was made in 1998 and they are quite rare. Made as a slightly updated tribute to the late 60s early 70s Schwinn Paramount P13 Deluxe Road Race model that was the top of the line in that era. Made of Reynolds 531 tubing and the same ornate chrome lugs as the original P13 but with shifters bosses on the down tube. I still havenít assembled mine so it is unridden. Painted in a dark green metallic paint it is a beauty. I have plans to use all Dura Ace 7700 which I have gathered piece by piece
from eBay which is where I found the frame. Current bikes are far lighter but the lugged steel frames were rolling art.
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Old 08-04-20, 06:01 AM
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Rebuilt 1990 RB-1

I went through this last year. I had my old rb-1 laying about. One thing lead to another....
you can put modern components on old bikes. Yours should be especially easy because itís later 90s so probably 130mm dropout, etc.

I put a 105 groupo on the bike. Subsequently bought mavic ksyriums of eBay for 200$. Whole thing was 1000 bucks. Maybe a bit less.

worth it? If you treat it as a hobby, yes. Newer bikes are better in many ways. But itís a fun and relatively cheap way to add a unique steel bike in the quiver.

it was a blast building it. I was surprised how much fun it is to ride. Very smooth. Surprisingly fast. Not my main ride, for sure. But it is a joy to take it out when I do. Like I said, itís a hobby piece and conversation starter on those cafe style rides.





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Old 08-04-20, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by cs1 View Post
As the title states, are there really any rules for what we consider a classic or vintage bike? The reason Iím asking is Iím putting together a project bike. It is a 1999 Waterford. It was the last year for a full Reynolds 531 frame and fork for Waterford. That and the fact is a lugged frame wit a 1Ē fork. If you didnít know most folks would say itís a typical 80ís era bike. The only non vintage thing is no down tube bosses. But thatís isnít a problem if you use barcon shifters.

Any opinions or suggestions for a proper group.

if its original or inspired by an original, is a homage to a classic, or is a limited edition, its a classic. Flame away!
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
Rules?

if you are a
Serious Collector/Stickler - lots of rules
Casual Collector/ rider - some rules
Average Joe cyclist - no rules

'I saw a movie bike' rider = crazy rules

Hardcore cyclist/adventurer - probably not strictly C&V, but not always
.

So, the correct answer is = It Depends. On you!

Always liked the movie Dodgeball, so going with no rules!
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Originally Posted by Kugellager View Post
Is your 1999 Waterford a W13 model? I have a W13 model I believe was made in 1998 and they are quite rare. Made as a slightly updated tribute to the late 60s early 70s Schwinn Paramount P13 Deluxe Road Race model that was the top of the line in that era. Made of Reynolds 531 tubing and the same ornate chrome lugs as the original P13 but with shifters bosses on the down tube. I still havenít assembled mine so it is unridden. Painted in a dark green metallic paint it is a beauty. I have plans to use all Dura Ace 7700 which I have gathered piece by piece
from eBay which is where I found the frame. Current bikes are far lighter but the lugged steel frames were rolling art.
According to Richard Schwann it is a 1900. It must have been one of the very last frames to use 753. Supposedly they are the first Waterford to use a sloping top tube. But their idea of a sloping top tube is not what I consider sloping at all.
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Classic and vintage rules:

No not-white socks, no long socks, no sandals, spare tubulars are to be held by a Binda strap under the saddle, no non-tan wall tires, no cork handlebar tape, stems are horizontal. And of course no brown bikes after 6
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^^^^^^^ And no white bikes before Memorial Day (US), right?
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Are we gonna be tested on this? Itís gettiní to be a lot of rules already. 🤔😉
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Old 08-04-20, 10:24 AM
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Apparently some folks think that when wrapping your bars, going tops to ends is a "vintage" rule: https://www.bikeforums.net/21623337-post28.html
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You make your own rules,
You build your bike,
You ride it your way,
and enjoy it!

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