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Old 12-08-21, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
My father once told me that he saw one of these where someone had scribbled "...mon dieu!" in the door's road grime, right after "Le Car."

Was it worthy of this criticism? I don't know, but it made for a great story.

-Kurt
The R5 is a magnificent piece of engineering. It can be argued it is the first example of a car that took the genius Mini 2-box, lateral front engine, fwd, design to the modern hatchback we still see today. When it came out in 72, your alternatives on the market were the R4, a Beetle (both platform-based designs 40/20 years old), a 2CV or its luxury sister Diane, an Austin Maxi if you were insane, or a Fiat 127 (which is closest to being somewhat modern but aquired the large rear hatch after the R5sa success). More worldwide successful memebers of the species like the VW Golf/Rabbit arrived years later.
Also one of the erliest uses of the large plastic bumper as a part of the cars body instead of something bolted on after, something *every* car has today.

No nation matches France when it comes to the design of compact, inexpensive, robust, clever, original small cars.

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Originally Posted by martl View Post
The R5 is a magnificent piece of engineering. It can be argued it is the first example of the modern hatchback we still see today. When it came out in 72, your alternatives on the market were the R4, a Beetle (both platform-based designs 40/20 years old), a 2CV, or a Fiat 127 (which is closest to being somewhat modern but aquired the large rear hatch after the R5sa success). Also one of the erliest uses of the large plastic bumper as a part of the cars body instead of something bolted on after. No nation matches France when it comes to the design of compact, inexpensive, robust, clever, original small cars.
It reminds me of how the Vaxuhall/Chevrolet Chevette had a pretty positive following around the world, but was considered a piece of junk here in the US.

-Kurt

P.S.: I'm actively seeking out a Rover 2000 right now, so I'm firmly in the insane camp.
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
It reminds me of how the Vaxuhall/Chevrolet Chevette had a pretty positive following around the world, but was considered a piece of junk here in the US.

-Kurt
This works the other way around as well. I was very surprised to learn that Ford seems to have the image of being one of the more advanced and "sporty" US Manufacturers. Over here, they are the proverbial super-boring grandfathers car
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This works the other way around as well. I was very surprised to learn that Ford seems to have the image of being one of the more advanced and "sporty" US Manufacturers. Over here, they are the proverbial super-boring grandfathers car
Even with the legacy of the first-gen T6?

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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
My father once told me that he saw one of these where someone had scribbled "...mon dieu!" in the door's road grime, right after "Le Car."

Was it worthy of this criticism? I don't know, but it made for a great story.

-Kurt
I saw one with a vanity license plate that said "LE PLATE"
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Originally Posted by martl View Post
The R5 is a magnificent piece of engineering. It can be argued it is the first example of the modern hatchback we still see today. When it came out in 72, your alternatives on the market were the R4, a Beetle (both platform-based designs 40/20 years old), a 2CV, or a Fiat 127 (which is closest to being somewhat modern but aquired the large rear hatch after the R5sa success). Also one of the erliest uses of the large plastic bumper as a part of the cars body instead of something bolted on after. No nation matches France when it comes to the design of compact, inexpensive, robust, clever, original small cars.
And let's not forget they also turned this practical economy car into a mid-engined rally dominator that won Monte Carlo its first year out. Some design freedom and 'so crazy it just might work' attitude you'd normally expect from a few British blokes in a shed, except it was the engineering division of a big French car company. And you see this over and over again from other French companies.
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Total junk. Definitely the worst road bike I own.
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Total junk. Definitely the worst road bike I own.
I couldn't agree more,

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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
It reminds me of how the Vaxuhall/Chevrolet Chevette had a pretty positive following around the world, but was considered a piece of junk here in the US.

-Kurt

P.S.: I'm actively seeking out a Rover 2000 right now, so I'm firmly in the insane camp.
I almost bought a Chevrolet Chevette in 1978. I sat in one, and said no, not this right after sitting in the driver seat.
The steering column was not aligned with the centerline of the car, the RH side of the steering wheel was about 1" closer than the left.
I made comment and it was told that was done to dodge the mechanicals. So much for buying American.
4 months later I bought a Datsun 210 2-door sedan, drove that for 11+ years, 175K miles, very few mechanical issues.
1 clutch, ( learned to drive a stick the day I drove it off the lot) one alternator rebuild, one idler pulley, one carb rebuild, pads, plugs, tires.
Would have kept it but it was beat up visually, stolen twice. The fellow I sold it to put it on the dyno and took the engine for an SCCA showroom stock racer.
Was putting out 10% more HP than is should of. Arco Graphite motor oil at work, fact, not friction.
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Old 12-08-21, 10:55 AM
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The French also make very nice carbon bikes. I own 3 Looks
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Old 12-08-21, 11:43 AM
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Just ask Hambini what he thinks of French bikes. Well, maybe not if you are not ready for the circus of Hambini. Have you seen his videos yet?

Certainly entertaining and he know his stuff. The language can be salty (and he says he is better that his collogues at work (which is Airbus)).


If you think this video is reasonable, see what he thinks of a Canyon frame. I am having trouble with finding his video, perhaps because he is being sued by Canyon for unfavorable content.

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Old 12-08-21, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by robertj298 View Post
I've never ridden one but I can't think of any other mechanical device from
France that is any good.
I’ve used a mechanical device from France every time I’ve gone to work for the last 20+ years. I think it's pretty fantastic. Of all the devices of it's type that I've used over my 38 year career, it's quite possibly my favorite.


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I like French bicycles a bunch too.


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If were going to talk about beautiful French things. My TA Carmina is beautiful, flexible, and very expensive with its Ti bottom bracket. On my bike the Germans and the French get along wonderfully, German hub and French rim with Swiss spokes

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Originally Posted by robertj298 View Post
And then we have those who like to make themselves feel important by pointing out others mistakes .
I wouldn't call your bikes "junk."

But a lot of the 300+ threads you've started? Yeah...
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I wouldn't call your bikes "junk."

But a lot of the 300+ threads you've started? Yeah...
there is a credibility gap.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
I almost bought a Chevrolet Chevette in 1978. I sat in one, and said no, not this right after sitting in the driver seat.
The steering column was not aligned with the centerline of the car, the RH side of the steering wheel was about 1" closer than the left.
I made comment and it was told that was done to dodge the mechanicals. So much for buying American.
My best friend in high school, he didn't have his own car.. He drove his his moms 1980 Chevette 4 door.

Whenever anyone asked about his car..

"Yeah, I'm driving my moms Vette. It's red, bucket seats, 4 speed."..

He beat the **** out of that car.
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Originally Posted by Velo Mule View Post
Just ask Hambini what he thinks of French bikes. Well, maybe not if you are not ready for the circus of Hambini. Have you seen his videos yet?

Certainly entertaining and he know his stuff. The language can be salty (and he says he is better that his collogues at work (which is Airbus)).

Hambini looks at a Look frame

If you think this video is reasonable, see what he thinks of a Canyon frame. I am having trouble with finding his video, perhaps because he is being sued by Canyon for unfavorable content.
I know a guy who won pro races and is "in the business," as they say. He had ridden a lot of Pegorettis and he says Time if it has to be CFK.
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And let's not forget they also turned this practical economy car into a mid-engined rally dominator that won Monte Carlo its first year out. Some design freedom and 'so crazy it just might work' attitude you'd normally expect from a few British blokes in a shed, except it was the engineering division of a big French car company. And you see this over and over again from other French companies.
Some British blokes in a shed won many a WRC with cars labelled Subaru or Mitsubishi they start to suck big time when in a major corporation, guy I know working for BMW when they aquired Mini recommended to the board to nuke the place and just build them elsewhere or something to that matter..
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Even with the legacy of the first-gen T6?

-Kurt
Had to Google T6 you mean the Ranger? Nope pickup trucks are not much of a thing over here and who needs them. I understand Ford has some reputation for making affordable sporty versions of utilitary vehicles in the UK such as the Escort RS or versions or the Capri, but that's it. The attraction of a leaf spring rigid rear axle car with an antique pushrod engine, however high the HP, never reached my home country. We prefer little Porsches.
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Had to Google T6 you mean the Ranger? Nope pickup trucks are not much of a thing over here and who needs them. I understand Ford has some reputation for making affordable sporty versions of utilitary vehicles in the UK such as the Escort RS or versions or the Capri, but that's it. The attraction of a leaf spring rigid rear axle car with an antique pushrod engine, however high the HP, never reached my home country. We prefer little Porsches.
don't you haul things around over there, too? ie. firewood, lumber, animal feeds, all the bodies of your enemies you don't want to bury at your place? i mean, surely you have some use for trucks?
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Originally Posted by martl View Post
Had to Google T6 you mean the Ranger? Nope pickup trucks are not much of a thing over here and who needs them. I understand Ford has some reputation for making affordable sporty versions of utilitary vehicles in the UK such as the Escort RS or versions or the Capri, but that's it. The attraction of a leaf spring rigid rear axle car with an antique pushrod engine, however high the HP, never reached my home country. We prefer little Porsches.
My mistake; I meant the T5 - the name of the Mustang on it's introduction.

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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
I wouldn't call your bikes "junk."

But a lot of the 300+ threads you've started? Yeah...
If you read closely I didn't call any bikes junk. I asked the question if they were
and received many answers. Most of thy threads being new were to learn things
so I guess I'll just quit posting until I become and expert like you and know it all.
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I asked the question if they were and received many answers.
I suggest making your post titles a bit less trolly and they will likely be better received.
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I suggest making your post titles a bit less trolly and they will likely be better received.
The question is would they have gotten the response with all the great
photos if I had done that?
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