Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

The rider, the wrencher, the collector… who are you?

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

The rider, the wrencher, the collector… who are you?

Old 12-24-21, 08:05 AM
  #1  
JackJohn
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
JackJohn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: France
Posts: 95

Bikes: Italian, French, British

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 34 Post(s)
Liked 25 Times in 15 Posts
The rider, the wrencher, the collector… who are you?

I recently met a guy who owned hundreds of vintage mid-level French bikes, bought over a lifetime to honor French craftsmanship and keeping them in the garden without riding or working on them. I realized then how vintage passion can be shared through very different approaches. There are many comments in the different threads here telling a lot about C&V members, including being a collector in a wide sense or about being a rider vs a wrencher, but I could not find a more global thread about vintage enthusiasts preferences in terms of riding, wrenching, collecting, etc. We all enjoy the vintage beauty and its epic, and I suppose to a certain extent most of us like to ride, work and own oldies bicycles. But what do you like most ? Do you prefer the joy of a ride on your old, shiny, charming steel machine? Or the hours spent working on rusty tubes and obsolete mechanics and the satisfaction of making them work? Or being delighted at your collection and the efforts made to get it?

I personally mostly enjoy repairing/wrenching and admiring the result of a finished restoration, sometimes riding and hopefully attending vintage events, with less interest in owning a collection.

Unlike a Western movie duel involving a good, a bad and a ugly, this is just a going around the table where all answers are good. So who are you ? a rider, a wrencher, a collector, none of the above, all of them or something else… ?
JackJohn is offline  
Likes For JackJohn:
Old 12-24-21, 08:12 AM
  #2  
gearbasher
Senior Member
 
gearbasher's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Sitting on my butt in front of a computer
Posts: 1,193
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 294 Post(s)
Liked 252 Times in 154 Posts
I consider myself a rider. Until recent events have affected my life, I was riding an average of 12,000 miles a year. I love lugged steel and did have a nice collection. But, I realized the bikes are tools to be ridden. I sold off all but 5 of my favorite riders. My current bikes are all nice Italian steel, but nothing that can't be replace. As far as wrenching, I do all my own mechanical work. I don't "restore".
gearbasher is offline  
Likes For gearbasher:
Old 12-24-21, 08:21 AM
  #3  
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 11,209
Mentioned: 172 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2427 Post(s)
Liked 2,006 Times in 862 Posts
I'd go more of a rider than the others. Mainly I am happy to ride any bike at any time, I am not fussy. Divvy for plooting from here to there? Epic 10K of climbing? You betcha!

With collecting, I am very fussy on what I buy and just as fussy what goes on those bikes. A 1960 derailleur on a 1958 frame? Something not Italian? Not a chance.

As for wrenching, I see it as a necessary evil. My LBS does not know that 1958 derailleur better than me, probably less so. Since I ride my collection, I begrudgingly wrench on them. Doesn't mean I like it.
iab is offline  
Likes For iab:
Old 12-24-21, 08:37 AM
  #4  
Kabuki12
Senior Member
 
Kabuki12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Ventura County ,California
Posts: 2,150

Bikes: 71 Stella,72 Mondia Special,72 ItalVega Grand Rallye, 73 Windsor Pro,75 Colnago Super,76 Kabuki DF,77 Raleigh Comp.GS,78 Raleigh Pro,80 Moto Gran Sprint,82 Medici Pro Strada

Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 498 Post(s)
Liked 1,026 Times in 608 Posts
I have a few bikes , maybe ten or so, so not a huge collector. The bikes I have have all been rebuilt in one sense or another by me usually because I want trouble free riding, which I enjoy . I do enjoy polishing up dull or rusty bikes to give them new life but only if it is a bike I really want to ride . I like the feeling of pedaling along knowing that all the bearings and parts that make it a bike have been massaged by my hands. As far as what I like the most , I can’t really determine , but if I were to chose it would be riding. That said, just riding a bike would not be the same without finding and then acquiring a bike I could only dream about when I was younger followed by taking it apart and getting it road worthy for me.
Kabuki12 is offline  
Likes For Kabuki12:
Old 12-24-21, 09:58 AM
  #5  
seedsbelize2
Used to be Seedsbelize
 
seedsbelize2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Tixkokob, Yucatán. México
Posts: 1,384

Bikes: 79 Trek 930, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 88 Centurion Ironman Expert, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 706 Post(s)
Liked 333 Times in 217 Posts
I am a rider/wrencher. I enjoy them equally. I also don't do restorations and am happy to throw on whatever component fits the bill. None of my four bikes has a matching group set. Some don't have matching wheels, and one doesn't have matching spokes (black ones and silver ones in the same wheel).
seedsbelize2 is offline  
Likes For seedsbelize2:
Old 12-24-21, 10:05 AM
  #6  
jdawginsc 
Edumacator
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Goose Creek, SC
Posts: 4,002

Bikes: '87 Crestdale, '87 Basso Gap, '92 Rossin Performance EL-OS, 1990 VanTuyl, 1980s Losa, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 1987 PX10, etc...

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1267 Post(s)
Liked 1,133 Times in 798 Posts
Yes. I am. Except I would say an over-collector...
__________________
1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1980s Vanni Losa Cassani thingy, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Competition, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981? Faggin, Cannondale M500, etc...Need to do an N -1...



jdawginsc is online now  
Likes For jdawginsc:
Old 12-24-21, 10:21 AM
  #7  
davester
Senior Member
 
davester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Berkeley CA
Posts: 2,214

Bikes: 1981 Ron Cooper, 1974 Cinelli Speciale Corsa, 2000 Gary Fisher Sugar 1, 1986 Miyata 710, 1982 Raleigh "International"

Mentioned: 85 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 756 Post(s)
Liked 658 Times in 290 Posts
I am most certainly a rider. I only have five bikes, each suited to a different purpose. The reason that I have interesting vintage bikes is that I like to appreciate the aesthetics as I roll along and I think most new bikes look horrid..

I have always been mechanically inclined and have always done most of my own wrenching on bikes cars, houses, motorcycles, boats, cabinetmaking, you name it. I don't particularly enjoy it while doing, but do get a great sense of satisfaction when the job is done. I also find that I am often just as, or more, skilled than, the "experts" plus the fact that it is often more hassle to take things to the shop, get estimates, deal with wait times and poor jobs, etc than it is to just do the job myself. I also like to save money.

Last edited by davester; 12-25-21 at 12:55 PM.
davester is offline  
Likes For davester:
Old 12-24-21, 10:24 AM
  #8  
qcpmsame 
Semper Fi
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 12,911
Mentioned: 88 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1159 Post(s)
Liked 312 Times in 212 Posts
Ride as much as I can, but I’m a wrencher to the bone. It’s the chronic Engineering Disease in me.

Bill
__________________
Semper Fi, USMC, 1975-1977

I Can Do All Things Through Him, Who Gives Me Strength. Philippians 4:13


qcpmsame is offline  
Old 12-24-21, 10:25 AM
  #9  
garryg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Campbell River BC
Posts: 346
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Liked 209 Times in 93 Posts
I am a hobby wrencher,flipper. I buy bikes,work on them and sell them , more as a hobby then a money making thing. I wish i had the room to collect,i have had some beauties pass through the garage. Currently keep 5 for myself.
garryg is offline  
Likes For garryg:
Old 12-24-21, 10:29 AM
  #10  
billnuke1 
Senior Member
 
billnuke1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: St Cloud Fl.
Posts: 1,886

Bikes: Only my riders left...

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 329 Post(s)
Liked 641 Times in 334 Posts
Opportunistic accumulator. As a pest control professional I was in everyone’s basement, garage, shed, attic; anywhere all the cool forgotten stuff hides…no problem asking about or for something!
Mechanically inclined. I have enough confidence in my abilities to charge a fee for my work and accomplish the following pronouncement .
Healthy enough to ride as fast and as far as I have to or want to…
billnuke1 is offline  
Likes For billnuke1:
Old 12-24-21, 10:36 AM
  #11  
joesch
Senior Member
 
joesch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Hotel CA / DFW
Posts: 1,240

Bikes: 83 Colnago Super, 87 50th Daccordi, 79 & 87 Guerciotti's, 90s Colnago Master and Titanio, 96 Serotta Colorado TG, 95/05 Colnago C40/C50, 06 DbyLS TI, 08 Lemond Filmore FG SS, 12 Cervelo R3, 20/15 Surly Stragler & Steamroller

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 409 Post(s)
Liked 397 Times in 261 Posts
I collect and wrench to ride.
I like having many nice choices to ride.
I like my classics running well and being clean.
If I could not ride then I suspect I would sell off most of my collection.
joesch is offline  
Likes For joesch:
Old 12-24-21, 10:42 AM
  #12  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 9,985

Bikes: Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5390 Post(s)
Liked 5,646 Times in 2,880 Posts
Yes to all three. I collect them, because I want to wrench on them and ride them. If forced to choose just one, I'd say ride, because I won't collect or restore any bike just to sit there. I do it to ride them. But I enjoy every part of it.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is online now  
Likes For genejockey:
Old 12-24-21, 10:42 AM
  #13  
SwimmerMike 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Saratoga, CA
Posts: 390

Bikes: 1981 Bianchi Specialissim, 1976 Colnago Super. 1971 Bob Jackson. 2012 Kestrel 4000. 2012 Willier. 2016 Fuji Cross 1.1

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 119 Post(s)
Liked 337 Times in 163 Posts
Interesting question.

Definitely a rider first. But I do all my own work, and the three vintage bikes I have all required a lot of work, and I really enjoy working on them, so a wrencher also. With only 3 vintage bikes (and three newer bikes) I can't say I'm a collector (yet).
SwimmerMike is offline  
Likes For SwimmerMike:
Old 12-24-21, 11:44 AM
  #14  
curbtender
Senior Member
 
curbtender's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: SF Bay Area, East bay
Posts: 7,336

Bikes: Marinoni, Kestral 200 2002 Trek 5200, KHS Flite, Koga Miyata, Schwinn Spitfire 5, Schwinn Speedster, Mondia Special, Univega Alpina, Miyata team Ti, MB3

Mentioned: 44 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1146 Post(s)
Liked 969 Times in 580 Posts
I'm guessing if you have more than 3 bikes you are a collector? I wrench because I like to know how things work. I ride because it centers me. The first two can be obsession and the riding is my release.

Last edited by curbtender; 12-24-21 at 01:03 PM.
curbtender is offline  
Likes For curbtender:
Old 12-24-21, 11:53 AM
  #15  
miamijim
Senior Member
 
miamijim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 14,053
Mentioned: 39 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 390 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 60 Times in 49 Posts
Wrencher then collector. Sold off everything a few years ago. Havent bought anything in over a year. Even sold off some of my special tools.
miamijim is offline  
Old 12-24-21, 12:02 PM
  #16  
delbiker1 
Mother Nature's Son
 
delbiker1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Sussex County, Delaware
Posts: 2,312

Bikes: Early 90's Ochsner road, 2006 Schwinn SS DBX, 2014 Orbea Avant MD30, 2004 Airborne Zeppelin TI, 2003 Lemond Poprad, 1989? Fuji Ace, 2001 Lemond Tourmalet, 2014? Soma Smoothie

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 609 Post(s)
Liked 798 Times in 467 Posts
I have 8 bikes , but certainly do not consider myself a collector. None of my 8 are worth a lot of dollars, nor highly sought after. They are all nice, well maintained, good riding bikes. I work on them out of necessity, to challenge myself, and self satisfaction. I absolutely love riding bikes, thus, I consider myself a rider first, with too many bikes, that has morphed into a home bike mechanic, just my bikes.
delbiker1 is offline  
Likes For delbiker1:
Old 12-24-21, 12:10 PM
  #17  
Chuck M 
Butted Hi-Tensile
 
Chuck M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 879

Bikes: Hi-Ten bike boomers, a Trek Domane and some projects

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 284 Post(s)
Liked 703 Times in 362 Posts
Rider by day, wrencher by night and closeted collector. I have one modern bike that I'm quite happy with and is my primary rider. But I also enjoy taking something that is older from my youth preserving it and of course riding it. The old bikes I enjoy are mostly bike boom products in nearly original and survivor condition. If I find one online and at a price I feel good about, I buy it, overhaul it and ride it. I'm not interested in flipping them so it works out my keeping them is a form of collecting them.
__________________
"It is the unknown around the corner that turns my wheels." -- Heinz Stücke

Chuck M is online now  
Likes For Chuck M:
Old 12-24-21, 12:32 PM
  #18  
Aardwolf
Old Git
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: London UK
Posts: 165

Bikes: 1982 Holdsworth Avanti

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 49 Post(s)
Liked 76 Times in 46 Posts
I'm probably a rider, but I live in a flat so I've only got room for 1 ( or 2 ?) bikes, and I'm an Old Git so I'm working on the riding bit after a layoff of 30 years (years ago I did a cycle tour of northern France).
But I'm also a good wrencher: I've rebuilt motorcycles, cars, piano accordions, musical boxes, bikes, anything that wants to work properly.
If I had the space and won the lottery I would probably turn into a collector and probably a bike co-op.
Aardwolf is offline  
Likes For Aardwolf:
Old 12-24-21, 12:34 PM
  #19  
Fredo76
The Wheezing Geezer
 
Fredo76's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Española, NM
Posts: 220

Bikes: 1976 Fredo Speciale, Jamis Citizen 1, Ellis-Briggs FAVORI, Rivendell Clem Smith Jr.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 72 Post(s)
Liked 183 Times in 93 Posts
I started riding again in July 2020, after hip replacements before the pandemic, so I can again call myself a rider. But not like I used to be, racing as a teenager in the '70s.

I built my own frame under Colin Laing in a 'Professional Internship Program' as a senior in high school in 1976, just after Colin moved to Tucson, and raced it a couple of times before it and my Schwinn Paramount were stolen in separate incidents. I sometimes wonder whether any of the 26" Paramounts I see might have been mine (silver with chromed Nervex lugs, fork ends and stays). I got my own frame back a couple years later from a stranger who recognized it from my description because he happened to be in a bike store when I was there reporting it stolen. He tracked me down in Seattle, and returned my bike for the $100 he had paid, plus the Greyhound shipping. I salute you, unknown good Samaritan whose name I can't recall! That was a miracle all by itself, but it sat with the thief's rattle-can burgundy paint job for over 40 years.

After my left hip replacement dislocated four times before being 'revised', I despaired of ever riding my own frame again, but after riding my Jamis Citizen 1 step-through for a year, I figured out a very inelegant method of mounting and dis-mounting my old racing bike, by laying it down on the pavement, stepping over it, and pulling it up underneath me. Then my brother gave me a powder-coating job as a birthday present, and now my frame is restored! I do also have a chromed Ellis-Briggs FAVORI, but I don't want to be a collector actually.

Since I made the frame myself, any way I build it up is 'correct', and no arguments, please!

It got fairly Franken, and may yet again:



Franken Fredo

But I like the classic look best:



Fredo, restored.

As for wrenching, the necessary evils for me are limited to tires and chains. Otherwise working on my bikes is rather fun.

To me it is funny how the bicycle forum scene parallels the audio forum scene. Visitors to a forum such as audiokarma.org will recognize the vintage vs. new debate, the listener/collector/restorer aspects of the hobby, WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) and all manner of squabbles, right down to black vs. silver!
Fredo76 is offline  
Likes For Fredo76:
Old 12-24-21, 12:50 PM
  #20  
non-fixie 
Shifting is fun!
 
non-fixie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: South Holland, NL
Posts: 10,139

Bikes: Yes, please.

Mentioned: 259 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1862 Post(s)
Liked 2,469 Times in 1,104 Posts
Yes, an interesting question.

First and foremost I am a tinkerer. In 2009 I bought and old and run-down racing bike at a yard sale, thinking I'd turn that into a nice and light sports bike. Although I'd ridden bikes during my youth, that had always been out of necessity, not because I liked them.

That 2009 thought turned into the quest for the perfect touring bike over the years, and is still ongoing. I keep buying frames and parts that might be an improvement over the previous try. It leads to builds like this :



The other thing I spend a lot of time on is the history of cycling, bicycle building and bicycle racing. Pictures like this can keep me occupied for weeks:

__________________
Woo hoo!









non-fixie is offline  
Likes For non-fixie:
Old 12-24-21, 12:57 PM
  #21  
easyupbug 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,043

Bikes: too many sparkly Italians, some sweet Americans and a couple interesting Japanese

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 381 Post(s)
Liked 265 Times in 192 Posts
As a mechanical engineer in maintenance for much of my career wrencher fits, I have a hangar so lots of room and am now at 18 + 4 for the kids when they visit so I suppose collector fits as well. Body is letting me down and I am down to 3,000 mi/yr these days but I enjoy them immensely so still rider at heart.
easyupbug is offline  
Likes For easyupbug:
Old 12-24-21, 01:12 PM
  #22  
gugie 
Bike Butcher of Portland
 
gugie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 10,257

Bikes: It's complicated.

Mentioned: 1124 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3839 Post(s)
Liked 2,992 Times in 1,355 Posts
Rider first, wrencher second, collector last. Maybe add a category, posting to BF C&V...

In reality, I swich between the three modes often. The more time I spend on one aspect, the more I wish I were doing the other. I balances out in the long run.
__________________
If someone tells you that you have enough bicycles and you don't need any more, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.

Last edited by gugie; 12-24-21 at 05:31 PM.
gugie is offline  
Likes For gugie:
Old 12-24-21, 01:12 PM
  #23  
ctak
Senior Member
 
ctak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 345
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 140 Post(s)
Liked 222 Times in 123 Posts
Ebbs and flows for me. An average week in 2021 = around 3 hours wrenching and 14+ hrs in the saddle... In 2020, I spent more time tinkering/dinking around in the proverbial shed than riding
ctak is offline  
Old 12-24-21, 01:30 PM
  #24  
zandoval 
Senior Member
 
zandoval's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Bastrop Texas
Posts: 2,988

Bikes: Univega, Peu P6, Peu PR-10, Ted Williams, Peu UO-8, Peu UO-18 Mixte, Peu Dolomites

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 407 Post(s)
Liked 571 Times in 391 Posts
I have to say that lately I have enjoyed wrenching as much as ridding...

Never been a collector of bicycles but I am a sucker for old parts, components, and tools. Like my Granfathers wooden block plane... Has nothing to do with bikes and I never use it, but it looks dam good hung up next to my restored PR10 (that I never ride either)... Ha
__________________
No matter where your at... There you are... Δf:=f(1/2)-f(-1/2)
zandoval is offline  
Likes For zandoval:
Old 12-24-21, 02:12 PM
  #25  
bark_eater 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Eastern Shore, MD
Posts: 1,563

Bikes: Road ready: 1993 Koga Miyata City Liner Touring Hybrid, 1989 Centurion Sport DLX, "I Blame GP" Bridgestone CB-1. Projects: Yea, I got a problem....

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 532 Post(s)
Liked 282 Times in 196 Posts
All 3. My time and focus shift
bark_eater is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.