Was reading through a lawsuit, alleges gender discrimination at Specialized
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Was reading through a lawsuit, alleges gender discrimination at Specialized
Wouldn't want to be a woman working there. If the allegations are basically credible, which I suspect to be the case because the EEOC gave the complainant the right to sue in federal court.
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Specialized has an over-active litigation department. Now it looks like they will have something to do. Heh.
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It was also alleged that Mike Sinyard decided to invite a 20-something junior staffer to Burning Man, though Specialized has not business activities at the festival and that Sinyard knew the female employee was engaged to be married.
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Alleged discrimination lawsuits are a dime-a-dozen. Some are valid, some are not. What's the point of this thread?
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Pretty much every decent-sized organization experiences these things...It'd be surprising if they didn't have a few such lawsuits in their dossier.
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Looks to me, if the allegations are correct, then Specialized is hobbling its own business objectives.
The lawsuit is interesting because it provides insight to the inner-workings of a major privately-held bicycle company.
Specialized also has employees sign a binding arbitration agreement but the woman filing this suit and attorneys claim it is not strong enough.
The lawsuit is interesting because it provides insight to the inner-workings of a major privately-held bicycle company.
Specialized also has employees sign a binding arbitration agreement but the woman filing this suit and attorneys claim it is not strong enough.
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https://www.bicycleretailer.com/indu...t#.X-eSOuQ8KEc
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Also, don't forget that its the lawyers job to write the court complaint in a manner that puts the defendant in the worst possible light.
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BRAIN actually reported it, I routinely use PACER so I pulled up the suit to read it myself. Ick, if true. Especially the alleged abuse of HR database to give the CEO contact info.
https://www.bicycleretailer.com/indu...t#.X-eSOuQ8KEc
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It sounds like they cited COVID for the layoff. I read the actual complaint not just the BRAIN article which is where the details are listed—it is a 59 page complaint. Likely significant documentation , I doubt Specialized will want a jury trial or much discovery taking place. Probably will settle, interesting to see how the arbitration agreement gets interpreted by court.
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It sounds like they cited COVID for the layoff. I read the actual complaint not just the BRAIN article which is where the details are listed—it is a 59 page complaint. Likely significant documentation , I doubt Specialized will want a jury trial or much discovery taking place. Probably will settle, interesting to see how the arbitration agreement gets interpreted by court.
As for arb. the court will kick it to arb in virtually every case if there in an arb agreement. Cases like this brought by an individual, as opposedto a group of individuals,, are pretty hard to win if you are a plaintiff.
I'd check back in 6 months and see if a summary judgement has been entered by the court in Spec's favor.
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If you have never experienced or otherwise observed someone taking or receiving credit for another's work, perhaps you should get a job and experience the real world.
Mojo31 makes a number of good points. Discrimination suits must be vetted through the EEOC. They do a thorough investigation and will bring the law suit if they believe that there is actionable discrimination. If the EEOC doesn't find actionable discrimination, they issue the right to sue letter and the complainant can then bring a law suit on their own. Remember that anyone can sue anyone for anything. Frivolous suits can be dismissed very early on and never proceed much past the pleadings. The real issue is whether you can sue successfully. These plaintiffs will need to show that their continued employment was impacted, not just that the management was mean or even unfair. Did they lose money or were they deprived of opportunities for promotion, etc.? It needs to be more than just hurt feelings. Yes, they were laid off but the pandemic issues cloud things.
As for the arbitration issue, many if not most large corporations include mandatory arbitration in lieu of litigation clauses in their employment contracts. Courts regularly uphold such agreements in employment contracts.
I need to read the complete complaint. This will make an excellent case to use in an upcoming class regardless of its outcome.
Mojo31 makes a number of good points. Discrimination suits must be vetted through the EEOC. They do a thorough investigation and will bring the law suit if they believe that there is actionable discrimination. If the EEOC doesn't find actionable discrimination, they issue the right to sue letter and the complainant can then bring a law suit on their own. Remember that anyone can sue anyone for anything. Frivolous suits can be dismissed very early on and never proceed much past the pleadings. The real issue is whether you can sue successfully. These plaintiffs will need to show that their continued employment was impacted, not just that the management was mean or even unfair. Did they lose money or were they deprived of opportunities for promotion, etc.? It needs to be more than just hurt feelings. Yes, they were laid off but the pandemic issues cloud things.
As for the arbitration issue, many if not most large corporations include mandatory arbitration in lieu of litigation clauses in their employment contracts. Courts regularly uphold such agreements in employment contracts.
I need to read the complete complaint. This will make an excellent case to use in an upcoming class regardless of its outcome.
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FWIW Specialized also sued an LBS in Canada that was named Cafe Roubaix. They claimed it was an infringement of their product name. I wonder how they got it from the original Roubaix in France. As a result I have never purchased a Specialized bike. And, I won't buy a Trek for what they did in the Lance Armstrong debacle.
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I wonder why anyone would read a 59 page lawsuit if they weren't being paid or otherwise had some involvement.
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FWIW Specialized also sued an LBS in Canada that was named Cafe Roubaix. They claimed it was an infringement of their product name. I wonder how they got it from the original Roubaix in France. As a result I have never purchased a Specialized bike. And, I won't buy a Trek for what they did in the Lance Armstrong debacle.
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FWIW Specialized also sued an LBS in Canada that was named Cafe Roubaix. They claimed it was an infringement of their product name. I wonder how they got it from the original Roubaix in France. As a result I have never purchased a Specialized bike. And, I won't buy a Trek for what they did in the Lance Armstrong debacle.
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I've worked in engineering for 35 years, much of that time for Fortune 500 companies. In my experience, blatant dismissal of women's' capabilities and contributions in engineering is so common I'd consider it normal, tolerance of sexual harassment by men toward women is normal, and tolerance for women complaining about any of this is low. Filing a harassment complaint is career threatening for the complainant, regardless of what happened. Things are not as blatant today as they were 30 years ago, but it's not exactly subtle, either. Denial that any of this a problem is strong. The cool thing for companies is, they can be extraordinarily corrupt and inept, but as long as the competition is no better, there's no need to change.
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Welp, so much the better for companies like WyndyMilla that will happily custom build a bike for women.
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I read lawsuits all the time. Couple that being a cyclist and thinking of all the times I heard this or that about Spesh.
EEOC is vastly under-resourced, having seen a relative go through their process.
There is some interesting stuff in the complaint. Like:
"This was Mr. Jones modus operandi. His design aesthetic resonated with a certain
demographic – guys who wanted their racing stripe-laden bikes to match their cars – but Ms.
Clarot’s design was on most models that sold out that model year. He acted in his self-interest by
trying to kill a woman’s successful design. Just like the Olympic bike debacle, Mr. Jones’
objection was overridden and Ms. Clarot’s design continued to be produced notwithstanding Mr.
Jones’ belief in last century’s marketing tropes."
I had never before men or whoever wanted their road bikes to match their cars. But I have a two Toyotas SUVs, so what do I know.
EEOC is vastly under-resourced, having seen a relative go through their process.
There is some interesting stuff in the complaint. Like:
"This was Mr. Jones modus operandi. His design aesthetic resonated with a certain
demographic – guys who wanted their racing stripe-laden bikes to match their cars – but Ms.
Clarot’s design was on most models that sold out that model year. He acted in his self-interest by
trying to kill a woman’s successful design. Just like the Olympic bike debacle, Mr. Jones’
objection was overridden and Ms. Clarot’s design continued to be produced notwithstanding Mr.
Jones’ belief in last century’s marketing tropes."
I had never before men or whoever wanted their road bikes to match their cars. But I have a two Toyotas SUVs, so what do I know.
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Looking through what types of suits Specialized is involved in, this is a rare one. Another person sued in 2013 for gender discrimination, seems Specialized appealed one court saying the arbitration agreement was in effect after a trial court said it was not.
In Federal Court (I'm sure there must be more in California state courts), Specialized has a lot of suits involving product liability (presumably this is normal in the industry), but also a lot involve local bike shops that apparently couldn't pay Specialized back for inventory and LBS owners filing for bankruptcy who list Specialized as one of their creditors. Promissory notes, etc.
Looks like Specialized has agreements that allow them remote access to QuickBooks and inventory systems.
In Federal Court (I'm sure there must be more in California state courts), Specialized has a lot of suits involving product liability (presumably this is normal in the industry), but also a lot involve local bike shops that apparently couldn't pay Specialized back for inventory and LBS owners filing for bankruptcy who list Specialized as one of their creditors. Promissory notes, etc.
Looks like Specialized has agreements that allow them remote access to QuickBooks and inventory systems.
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FWIW Specialized also sued an LBS in Canada that was named Cafe Roubaix. They claimed it was an infringement of their product name. I wonder how they got it from the original Roubaix in France. As a result I have never purchased a Specialized bike. And, I won't buy a Trek for what they did in the Lance Armstrong debacle.