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Old 10-21-21, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
HI,
Based on your experience, what parts/components would you stash now against future needs when they become unobtanium?

I just ordered a R8000 ultegra gruppo, rim brakes (the last mechanical ultegra group) for a future classic, maybe vintage build.

thinking ahead or overthinking depending on your definition , with the idea this will be a 20+ year bike (looking at a custom steel build) I am thinking about stashing some dupilcate parts

I am thinking, brake hoods, the shifters, deraillers for sure.
I think chains, cassettes, brakes should be obtainable or swapable for other parts.
I am on the fence about crankset or just rings.

what would you stash?

of course with the discount on getting a group, just getting a full space set may be cheaper than a few of the big pieces

Where did you order the groupset from?
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My plan is to cannibalize 1 bike (if/when necessary) between the friction shifters and Campy Ergo 10 to keep others going well. Assuming one road bike per year (unlikely), at age 90 the worst case = I may be forced to ride one of the city or mountain bikes.
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I am already future proofed regarding bicycle stuff. I am in my 70th year and have 8 bikes and a lot of spare parts. I could ride the rest of my life and probably not have to purchase anything other than tires, tubes, cables and other consumables. I would need very few of those, even if I reach 90 and am still cycle-active. That is a lot different than saying I will not buy anything I absolutely do not need. I have a tendency to cave on some items just because they are on sale, or because I like them. Lately, I have been struggling with wanting to purchase a pair of Giro spd shoes that are on sale at half MSRP. Really nice shoes, that I really do not need, but tell myself it is a really good deal. I already have 3 pairs of SPD shoes, 2 pairs of SPD-SL, and a pair of SPD winter cycling shoes. So, If I buy them and do not wear them, not such a good deal.
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After sleeping on this topic, I should be more concerned about future proofing the vintage body before worrying about bike parts. Anyone got a good brain to spare?

edit: needed sooner not later!
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Where did you order the groupset from?
colorado cyclist.....best price I could find.......I sure do miss the days of groups from UK online bike shops (bike mongers)
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
After sleeping on this topic, I should be more concerned about future proofing the vintage body before worrying about bike parts. Anyone got a good brain to spare?

edit: needed sooner not later!
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Oh yeah- those Shimano -specific toe clips. They are already pretty much impossible to find. And most of them are made of plastic too.
Somebody can make a fortune making reproductions of toe clips and hoods. Well, maybe not a big fortune. But at least lunch money!
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
After sleeping on this topic, I should be more concerned about future proofing the vintage body before worrying about bike parts. Anyone got a good brain to spare?

edit: needed sooner not later!
I understand.....current reading in this area....

https://www.outsideonline.com/health..._term=bodywork

https://www.outsideonline.com/health..._term=bodywork
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Woof - Those prices are ridiculous. Better off buying a full bike (used)
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I (still) drive a SAAB, so this ain't my first rodeo - and it happens in my career too, as companies phase out the large-scale purification equipment my lab needs to make concentrated RNA samples for NMR experiments. Hek, I've practically got a PhD in parrying planned obsolescence!

I think it's critical to acquire skills and tools. They can't take those away from you! I learned to braze, weld, and machine things just about as the SAAB parts and lab stuff really got scarce, so I was able to somewhat seamlessly switch over to making it myself. This is probably what I'll do with bike stuff as well. I've already made a couple quill stems and a front derailleur, along with a smattering of cables and other odds and ends for antique tandems. My dream is to get a shop with all the necessary equipment (CNC mill, lathe, TIG) so I don't need to rely on my workplace for it. I also want space to setup some baths for chroming and anodization. What's next? A foundry, I guess! It would be cool to cast things, at least small stuff in aluminum or bronze.

I figure I should be able to stave off most planned obsolescence this way. As long as bearings remain available, I should be good to go. Making bearings is hard.
But what of the Tandem?
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Old 10-21-21, 02:16 PM
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........ Really nice shoes, that I really do not need, but tell myself it is a really good deal. I already have 3 pairs of SPD shoes, 2 pairs of SPD-SL, and a pair of SPD winter cycling shoes. So, If I buy them and do not wear them, not such a good deal.
ouch... that strikes a bit close to home!

in my defense, my shoe buying happened one or two decades ago, for the most part.
Most of these were vintage shoes with slotted cleats, so I've got three different pairs of Duegi's, some with perforated leather uppers. Another pair of Duegi's has perforated uppers, but a rubber sole, which is nice if I expect to be walking much.

I've also got some Detto's with the oak soles, which are too nice to actually use. Not too pretty to just look at, though.



I've also got a pair of classic black Carnac Carlit shoes, with a hard rubber (or maybe plastic?) sole. Good for a bit of walking. Haven't used them yet.

Throw in a couple of pairs of Diadora shoes that were early SPD's, but make great shoes for toe clips, since they have stiff rubber soles with a shallow slot. Wonderful! I think I have one pair of low end Shimano SPD shoes that just used as rubber soled shoes with toe clips. They were good for commuting too, just like the Diadora's.
There's also a couple of pairs of SPD shoes for routine use too. There's a pair of Lake SPD sandals too.
I'm afraid to add them all up, but most of them get used. Better to have a couple of pairs that haven't been used yet than to be without shoes that you really like.

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When I was a kid, my folks would buy us two pairs of identical sneakers when we were at the store. That way, we didn't have to try on a bunch of shoes every time we needed a new pair -- we'd just start wearing the newer pair when the older pair wore out or got too grungy/stinky. Perhaps that's why I can't resist buying an extra rim each time I build a wheel!
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Here are a few…

Marzocchi 63mm and 80mm 1” and 1-1/8” steerers… for those the future is now.

26” rims and wheelsets, folding mtb tires.

As much as they are hated… Shimano RD-M760 and M960 Rapid Rise.

14t (1st) and 16t cassette cogs, Sachs Aris 32t FW cogs, Uniglide 13t, 14t, 15t threaded cassette cogs, 7 speed 13-34 “K” cassettes, SD-7 brake sets, chainrings… 24t, 28t, 30t, 34t, 38t (130), 46t, 48t, square taper and Octalink V1 BB, misc NOS and very good hubs, 7, 8 speed DT shifters, 8 speed STI’s, 7, 8, 9 speed trigger shifters, Suntour left thumb shifters, etc.

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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
What’s the difference between future proofing and hoarding? Asking for a friend.
In the future, there really shouldn’t be a problem finding 4-6” segments of brake and shifter outer cable but nevertheless I have a bag full of them.
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Freewheels for sure. Saab parts, not so much, despite buying a 99 new in 1970, Rod Beckner and John Collins living just down the road in Jefferson, OR and my son's DD being a 300,000+ mile 9-5. I sold my aero wagen some years ago. don
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Freewheels for sure. Saab parts, not so much, despite buying a 99 new in 1970, Rod Beckner and John Collins living just down the road in Jefferson, OR and my son's DD being a 300,000+ mile 9-5. I sold my aero wagen some years ago. don
why am I not surprised you had a Saab?
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In the future, there really shouldn’t be a problem finding 4-6” segments of brake and shifter outer cable but nevertheless I have a bag full of them.
Only one bag? Amateur.

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I do also have a 100 foot roll of inner cable liner, for when you need those 6 inches tor run shifter cable through to reduce friction against metal guides. I should have enough for about 200 years (pm me and will be happy to mail out some for your next build)
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I'm stocked up on new 7 and 8 speed cassettes and some new and NOS chainrings for 5- 6-7 speed bikes. I'm also flush with chains, Tubes and brake pads, bottom brackets and other stuff but that's from running into penny on the dollar deals. Vintage spares are primarily still "on the hoof" in my embarrassing pile of donner bikes. I had a good run at the scrap yard with an average bike cost of $12. I have been a bit over focused on collecting vintage "compact" square taper cranksets, on the hope of future proofing my knees. This is slightly separated from tendency towards hoarding, which I acknowledge, but don't really think it's a problem if I have more bikes and junk at home than the co-op.....
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But what of the Tandem?
Patience, my friend. It is one of many things on my list. Currently all my bike building efforts going into trying to get my Trek back on the road so I have something with fenders to ride the next time my commuter breaks. There are more cracks in the frame of the commuter. Between that, relatives with covid (even though they're vax'd), and my PhD, the Herse has to take a back burner for the moment.
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Besides my five bikes, I keep a spare wheelset and new freewheel. Everything else in the bin that's worth a damn is for sale.
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Except for the Ofmega crank, I read that list saying silently to myself, "Check, check, check , check..."
My friend said the same thing but he prefers to think of it as component salvage and recycling.

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What’s the difference between future proofing and hoarding? Asking for a friend.
Marketing.
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What’s the difference between future proofing and hoarding? Asking for a friend.
I had two actual hoarders in the family on my father's side. What they did was a bona fide mental illness, and bears little resemblance to what we do.

The casual talk of "hoarding" that gets bandied about these days, often relating to Marie Kondo and other capitalist shills, diminishes the experiences of those with the disease and their families. I have been called a hoarder because I have a few bikes, or a few tabs open, or a few emails in my inbox, and it is disrespectful to actual hoarders. Unfortunately, contemporary culture doesn't agree.

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Marketing.
Exactly. It does boil down to marketing: People who sell the idea of "tidying up" are selling the dream that the chaos inherent in life can be dismissed easily by purchasing content, services, and products - it's only natural that they take on relevance in these chaotic times. But it's a paradox: minimalism by way of consumerism. You pay to get rid of your stuff. Then you pay for more stuff (even better, for subscription-based digital content) to fill the void left by the old stuff you got rid of. As long as the stuff has no meaning (or disappears when you stop paying the subscription), you are "free" to jettison it and consume more. It's throwaway culture, rebranded and marketed as freedom from clutter. I refuse to join in on that treadmill, so I'll keep riding antique bikes and driving antique SAABs (and keeping the requisite junkpile and weathering the dirty looks), because they have meaning to me, and you can't buy that meaning with money.
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Besides my five bikes, I keep a spare wheelset and new freewheel. Everything else in the bin that's worth a damn is for sale.
Three bikes (the third is being built), spare wheelset, freewheel, and a stem here. Same thing for the bin.
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