Bianchi Serial Number Identification
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T-Mar might be able to help you figure it out. Pages are missing from my catalog?
Do you have the full version?
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T-Mar might be able to help you figure it out. Pages are missing from my catalog?
I weighted the frame today: 1964g in size 49cm, not bad!
Definitely not a Dedacciai Zero frame but could be a Zero Tre, so again, Denali or Peregrine I think. Also, the color is a dark purple, very close to a dark blue.
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Also, after a closer look at the frame
- Seatpost is 27,2mm
- No eyelets, nowhere (not on seatstays, not on dropouts)
- Forged dropouts, there in something written inside, on the wheel side but I can't decyfer it.
Appart serial numbers under the BB, nothing wriitend/engraved/stamped anywhere else.
It is made for a 1-1/8 steerer and there is not canti hanger --> V-Brake
- Seatpost is 27,2mm
- No eyelets, nowhere (not on seatstays, not on dropouts)
- Forged dropouts, there in something written inside, on the wheel side but I can't decyfer it.
Appart serial numbers under the BB, nothing wriitend/engraved/stamped anywhere else.
It is made for a 1-1/8 steerer and there is not canti hanger --> V-Brake
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Here is a picture of my bike, as bought.
Something is stamped on the dropout but I can't read it.
Frame weight:
And I found a picture the same bike. The frame is identical but it is in celeste. --> Dropouts, cable stops, seatpost clamp, no eyelets, 1-1/8 steerer
Part of the equipment matches too (stem, crankset, grips, brake levers, brakes, fork etc.)
We can see a Dedacciai sticker at the top of the seat tube.
Could mine have inverted colours (i.e. purple with -removed - celeste stickers)?
For instance below a picture of a model (1996?) with "inverted" colours (enven if in that case it is blue and not "purple")
Do these pictures help? Any hint on the model?
Does the European and American product range differ a lot?
Something is stamped on the dropout but I can't read it.
Frame weight:
And I found a picture the same bike. The frame is identical but it is in celeste. --> Dropouts, cable stops, seatpost clamp, no eyelets, 1-1/8 steerer
Part of the equipment matches too (stem, crankset, grips, brake levers, brakes, fork etc.)
We can see a Dedacciai sticker at the top of the seat tube.
Could mine have inverted colours (i.e. purple with -removed - celeste stickers)?
For instance below a picture of a model (1996?) with "inverted" colours (enven if in that case it is blue and not "purple")
Do these pictures help? Any hint on the model?
Does the European and American product range differ a lot?
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Thanks to everyone who shared their wealth of knowledge in this thread. I've learnt a heck of a lot in its 73 pages so far, but unfortunately I'm still somewhat confused as to what model the Bianchi I acquired a few weeks ago is. As you can see from the photos below, the son of the previous owner to the previous owner apparently thought it would be a great idea to remove all decals, strip the celeste colour and do a very average job of painting the frame yellow and the forks, bars and stem black. Sacrilege, if you ask me!
Anyway, after working my way through this thread and others on the forum, various catalogues and images online, I'm pretty sure it's a 1981 build (or maybe a '71, pretty sure its not a '91 ) and its probably a mid to high end frame, but that's as far as i'm able to figure out.
Here's what I know so far:
Frame:
- Serial # stamped on one side of seat collar is 1.L , the other side 9649 (which leads me to believe its a 1981 build)
- Seat tube internal width is 27.2mm
- Seat stay caps have the B in a circle panto
- 99.9% sure no other panto's on frame or lugs (will have to strip paint to be 100% sure)
- Dropouts are campy, drive side has the 2 little holes, 1above hanger 1 above dropout
- Bottle cage mounts are on the downtube only, none on the seat tube
- no cable guides or stops on the top tube, no internal routing holes. This one has me stumped. The previous owner told me there were 2 small holes in the top of the top tube located in the centre of the tub and near the seat tube (which he has filled). I thought the cable guides may have been removed hence the 2 holes, but there is no indication of the 3rd guide ever being there or being removed. Given the quality of the respray etc, I doubt he would have made such a clean job of removing the 3rd guide, if it was ever there in the first place.
Forks:
- campy dropouts
- B Panto on top of fork crown (both sides)
- Looks like the crown may be chrome under that black paint.
Parts:
- Seat Post has the B panto with a faint trace of red in the letter
- Campy FD, campy shifters. all other parts definitely not original & a mix of suntour & early 90's shimano
- bars & stem will have to strip the black paint to identify
When comparing what I know about the frame to photos, the most of which are probably US market, I can't seem to find a close match to what I have. I'm in Australia and have no history of the frames origin, so this could just be a quirky regional build. Any help anyone can give as to its likely model will be a huge help in me bringing this old girl back to her former glory.
Anyway, after working my way through this thread and others on the forum, various catalogues and images online, I'm pretty sure it's a 1981 build (or maybe a '71, pretty sure its not a '91 ) and its probably a mid to high end frame, but that's as far as i'm able to figure out.
Here's what I know so far:
Frame:
- Serial # stamped on one side of seat collar is 1.L , the other side 9649 (which leads me to believe its a 1981 build)
- Seat tube internal width is 27.2mm
- Seat stay caps have the B in a circle panto
- 99.9% sure no other panto's on frame or lugs (will have to strip paint to be 100% sure)
- Dropouts are campy, drive side has the 2 little holes, 1above hanger 1 above dropout
- Bottle cage mounts are on the downtube only, none on the seat tube
- no cable guides or stops on the top tube, no internal routing holes. This one has me stumped. The previous owner told me there were 2 small holes in the top of the top tube located in the centre of the tub and near the seat tube (which he has filled). I thought the cable guides may have been removed hence the 2 holes, but there is no indication of the 3rd guide ever being there or being removed. Given the quality of the respray etc, I doubt he would have made such a clean job of removing the 3rd guide, if it was ever there in the first place.
Forks:
- campy dropouts
- B Panto on top of fork crown (both sides)
- Looks like the crown may be chrome under that black paint.
Parts:
- Seat Post has the B panto with a faint trace of red in the letter
- Campy FD, campy shifters. all other parts definitely not original & a mix of suntour & early 90's shimano
- bars & stem will have to strip the black paint to identify
When comparing what I know about the frame to photos, the most of which are probably US market, I can't seem to find a close match to what I have. I'm in Australia and have no history of the frames origin, so this could just be a quirky regional build. Any help anyone can give as to its likely model will be a huge help in me bringing this old girl back to her former glory.
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The date is likely pretty close, T-Mar might be able to shed more light on it, could also be a late 81 for the 82 model year.
The holes in the dropout are for Campagnolo’s Portacatena chain keeper system. It has a little device that goes on the dropout and fancy shifter.
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Bianchi Giro 1987 (dura ace) ??
Hi, I just bought this bike in Canada.
It was sold as the Specialissima Giro 1987 and has with full dura ace parts and mavic ma 40 wheels. (I will upload photos on my profile since I can’t here).
it has the rectangular champion del mondo/ Colorado spring decal but the Columbus decal on the seat tube is ripped and scratched off. It has the bianchi raised B on The top of the down tube / bianchi engraving on the seat stays and pump peg behind the head tube (top).
the serial number is 19204 / F6
Would really appreciate the experts opinion on this.
thanks again.
It was sold as the Specialissima Giro 1987 and has with full dura ace parts and mavic ma 40 wheels. (I will upload photos on my profile since I can’t here).
it has the rectangular champion del mondo/ Colorado spring decal but the Columbus decal on the seat tube is ripped and scratched off. It has the bianchi raised B on The top of the down tube / bianchi engraving on the seat stays and pump peg behind the head tube (top).
the serial number is 19204 / F6
Would really appreciate the experts opinion on this.
thanks again.
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Unknown 1988 Bianchi Frame. Please help Identify
Hi Bianchigirll
I'm hoping you can help me ID a frame I bought. I've added photos on my profile of the blue Bianchi frame.
Features I've identified so far:
8.M Date stamp on the BB bracket, Indicating it's 1988?
It has the Spacer/Nut/Grommet thing you've mentioned previously on other identifications on the rear brake mount point.
Gippieme rear dropouts
Bianchi stamped on the fork dropouts
B behind the head tube on the down tube
Then is has the Tre Tubi Rinforzati Formula Two frame tubing stickers on
The Fork Crown shape seems to be not very common on bikes I've found online so far.
Tipmann asked for a frame to be identified on post 1481 on this thread. I'm pretty sure these are the same frames, based on the fork crown shape and the serial number style on the BB Bracket.
I'm not sure if he ever supplied larger photos for identification.
Really hoping you're able to help, and thank you in advance!
I'm hoping you can help me ID a frame I bought. I've added photos on my profile of the blue Bianchi frame.
Features I've identified so far:
8.M Date stamp on the BB bracket, Indicating it's 1988?
It has the Spacer/Nut/Grommet thing you've mentioned previously on other identifications on the rear brake mount point.
Gippieme rear dropouts
Bianchi stamped on the fork dropouts
B behind the head tube on the down tube
Then is has the Tre Tubi Rinforzati Formula Two frame tubing stickers on
The Fork Crown shape seems to be not very common on bikes I've found online so far.
Tipmann asked for a frame to be identified on post 1481 on this thread. I'm pretty sure these are the same frames, based on the fork crown shape and the serial number style on the BB Bracket.
I'm not sure if he ever supplied larger photos for identification.
Really hoping you're able to help, and thank you in advance!
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Hi Bianchigirll
I'm hoping you can help me ID a frame I bought. I've added photos on my profile of the blue Bianchi frame.
Features I've identified so far:
8.M Date stamp on the BB bracket, Indicating it's 1988?
It has the Spacer/Nut/Grommet thing you've mentioned previously on other identifications on the rear brake mount point.
Gippieme rear dropouts
Bianchi stamped on the fork dropouts
B behind the head tube on the down tube
Then is has the Tre Tubi Rinforzati Formula Two frame tubing stickers on
The Fork Crown shape seems to be not very common on bikes I've found online so far.
Tipmann asked for a frame to be identified on post 1481 on this thread. I'm pretty sure these are the same frames, based on the fork crown shape and the serial number style on the BB Bracket.
I'm not sure if he ever supplied larger photos for identification.
Really hoping you're able to help, and thank you in advance!
I'm hoping you can help me ID a frame I bought. I've added photos on my profile of the blue Bianchi frame.
Features I've identified so far:
8.M Date stamp on the BB bracket, Indicating it's 1988?
It has the Spacer/Nut/Grommet thing you've mentioned previously on other identifications on the rear brake mount point.
Gippieme rear dropouts
Bianchi stamped on the fork dropouts
B behind the head tube on the down tube
Then is has the Tre Tubi Rinforzati Formula Two frame tubing stickers on
The Fork Crown shape seems to be not very common on bikes I've found online so far.
Tipmann asked for a frame to be identified on post 1481 on this thread. I'm pretty sure these are the same frames, based on the fork crown shape and the serial number style on the BB Bracket.
I'm not sure if he ever supplied larger photos for identification.
Really hoping you're able to help, and thank you in advance!
Do the decals look like this one? If so it's probably an "88 as, at least in the US market these decals were only used in '88/89 but only '88 models had the Forumla frame. You don't mention the color so is it Celeste? Were there any components on it?
1988 US Market catalog page
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Thanks for the reply Bianchigirll . I added photos on a album on my profile. It's dark blue with the three block design. Mind sending me the US catalog that you have? More information is always nice. I bought the frame only unfortunately.
Do you need me to share the photos in another way?
Do you need me to share the photos in another way?
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Do we know if Bianchis of the same year and model got different paint schemes/colours/decals based on the region they were sold in? Additionally, how many regions were there? I'm thinking Japan/Asa - US and Europe?
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Bianchi Strada LX
I came into a Bianchi recently that was an easy restore, Much easier than determining the model and year of the bike. After a few hours of mulling over 1987 and 1988 catalogs, I determined that its a 1987 Strada LX. I've had no luck with the serial number, 61044270, or could be G1044270.
My conclusion is based on the components offered on the '87 and the color, Heather, which was only offered on the women's version. Am I on the right track?
My conclusion is based on the components offered on the '87 and the color, Heather, which was only offered on the women's version. Am I on the right track?
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First 3 digits of serial number
Last 3 digits of serial number
Component selection- only the pedals are believed to be original. The rest mostly NOS collected for build
Headtube- integrated headset with non-Campagnolo inner races
Front dropouts
Rear dropout
As purchased
Repainted and decaled by Ed Litton. Ed identified it as a "Team" model (not to be confused with team issue examples.) After way too many hours spent researching probable date of manufacture, I've concluded that it was most likely made mid-late 1960s.
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What year is this Bianchi?
Hello everyone!
Nice joining you all here I acquired this second hand Bianchi Primo last year. I was wondering what year it was built.
Bianchi Primo
Serial Number # KS547442 with an 8 on the line under so not sure if it's part of the serial number
Frame has stickers: Made in Japan; Tange 900 CR-MO Double Butted Tubes; Mangaloy 2001 Manganese Alloy Tubing Tange
Other mentions on different parts: Suntour Mountech (gear swticher); Sugino VT (seatpost screw, pedals, screws that hols the pedals to the gear/chain disk)); Dia-compe G (breaks); Shimano (gears).
I cannot post photos yet since this is my first post. I will try to post if needed when I can. Photo of the bike is my profile pic.
Thanks for your help!
Nice joining you all here I acquired this second hand Bianchi Primo last year. I was wondering what year it was built.
Bianchi Primo
Serial Number # KS547442 with an 8 on the line under so not sure if it's part of the serial number
Frame has stickers: Made in Japan; Tange 900 CR-MO Double Butted Tubes; Mangaloy 2001 Manganese Alloy Tubing Tange
Other mentions on different parts: Suntour Mountech (gear swticher); Sugino VT (seatpost screw, pedals, screws that hols the pedals to the gear/chain disk)); Dia-compe G (breaks); Shimano (gears).
I cannot post photos yet since this is my first post. I will try to post if needed when I can. Photo of the bike is my profile pic.
Thanks for your help!
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This is neither a serial # or a Bianchi, but still this seems like the best place to ask this question since @T-Mar & @Bianchigirll and other knowledegable folks frequent here. The Torpado I'm working on right now has a 63 stamped on the bottom bracket and I've seen 73 stamped at the top of the head tube of my Raleigh Grand Prix. Any idea what these numbers signify?
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Hello T-Mar can you shed any light on this? It has Campagnolo shift/derailleurs and hubs, wheels definitely not original looking, but with Modolo Flash brakes (white Campi hoods) and Ofmega headset. I think he has a '84 Nuovo Racing but of course someone else told him it is a Specialissima so....
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This is neither a serial # or a Bianchi, but still this seems like the best place to ask this question since @T-Mar & @Bianchigirll and other knowledegable folks frequent here. The Torpado I'm working on right now has a 63 stamped on the bottom bracket and I've seen 73 stamped at the top of the head tube of my Raleigh Grand Prix. Any idea what these numbers signify?
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I recently acquired a Bianchi steel road frame (Dedacciai Zero tubing) that was purchased in Italy with serial number E1809. The only other number is on one of the rear drop outs which is stamped T116. The paint is pearl Celeste and it utilizes internal routing and a braze-on front derailleur. The previous owner used the term “Concept” as if that was the particular model bike. I imagine it is a late 1990’s Bianchi but don’t know the particular model. It could easily have originally been a “frame only” purchase. Images are in my profile album Bianchi Megaset Concept. Any additional information would be appreciated.
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Sold to me as a 1982 Bianchi Nuovo Racing. Sold new in the USA as pictured bar the seat and wheels that are replacements.
The bike appears to have the same components as a Campione del Mondo but a Nuovo Racing frame and fork. It appears to be a 1984 bike to me.
On the top tube is a decal with a rainbow. The only remaining text of the decal says “pion”. I suspect that it may be a commemorative or special edition.
There are eyelets on the front and rear dropouts.
Pictures are in my Gallery.
Any assistance in identifying it would be gratefully received.
Specs:
Serial #: On top of seat post DS: 4.D NDS: 304
Frame- Columbus TreTubi, Pantographed B on seat stay top and fork crown
Seat tube Size- 55 cm square (Nuovo Racing was not sold in a size 55 cm according to the catalogues)
Paint- original Celeste
Headset- Ofmega Competition
Handlebar- 3TTT Competitione
Stem- 3TTT Pantographed Bianchi
Seatpost- Campagnolo Record with Pantographed B
Crank- Campagnolo Gran Sport
Bottom Bracket- Ofmega
Shifters- Campagnolo Record
Front Derailleur- Campagnolo Gran Sport
Rear Derailleur- Campagnolo Nuovo Record
Freewheel- 6 speed
Brakes- Campagnolo Gran Sport
Brake Leavers - Campagnolo Super Record
Hubs- Replaced
Rims- Replaced
Handlebar Tape- Benotto
The bike appears to have the same components as a Campione del Mondo but a Nuovo Racing frame and fork. It appears to be a 1984 bike to me.
On the top tube is a decal with a rainbow. The only remaining text of the decal says “pion”. I suspect that it may be a commemorative or special edition.
There are eyelets on the front and rear dropouts.
Pictures are in my Gallery.
Any assistance in identifying it would be gratefully received.
Specs:
Serial #: On top of seat post DS: 4.D NDS: 304
Frame- Columbus TreTubi, Pantographed B on seat stay top and fork crown
Seat tube Size- 55 cm square (Nuovo Racing was not sold in a size 55 cm according to the catalogues)
Paint- original Celeste
Headset- Ofmega Competition
Handlebar- 3TTT Competitione
Stem- 3TTT Pantographed Bianchi
Seatpost- Campagnolo Record with Pantographed B
Crank- Campagnolo Gran Sport
Bottom Bracket- Ofmega
Shifters- Campagnolo Record
Front Derailleur- Campagnolo Gran Sport
Rear Derailleur- Campagnolo Nuovo Record
Freewheel- 6 speed
Brakes- Campagnolo Gran Sport
Brake Leavers - Campagnolo Super Record
Hubs- Replaced
Rims- Replaced
Handlebar Tape- Benotto
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Telecine Good Morning Good Morning and welcome to the forums. Sadly it's often not possible to tell exactly what these older models are because many have been upgraded for any number of reasons. Some people seem to think that if it's Celeste it must be all Campagnolo and set about upgrading even if the Campanutella gear is actually a downgrade or doesn't mesh well with other parts. The Bottom bracket and crankset are certainly not original becaue I don't think any factory would mount a CampI crankset on a Ofmehga spindle (at one time Ofmega used a unique taper on their spindle that was not compatible with other cranksets)
Assuming the decals are original I would likely say this is likely a '84 Alloro or Nuovo Racing that has been rebuilt by previous owners. Whatever it is after a good overhaul, waxing and some new cables and tires it is likely to a great riding bike.
Photo album https://www.bikeforums.net/g/picture/29925868
Assuming the decals are original I would likely say this is likely a '84 Alloro or Nuovo Racing that has been rebuilt by previous owners. Whatever it is after a good overhaul, waxing and some new cables and tires it is likely to a great riding bike.
Photo album https://www.bikeforums.net/g/picture/29925868
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I recently acquired a Bianchi steel road frame (Dedacciai Zero tubing) that was purchased in Italy with serial number E1809. The only other number is on one of the rear drop outs which is stamped T116. The paint is pearl Celeste and it utilizes internal routing and a braze-on front derailleur. The previous owner used the term “Concept” as if that was the particular model bike. I imagine it is a late 1990’s Bianchi but don’t know the particular model. It could easily have originally been a “frame only” purchase. Images are in my profile album Bianchi Megaset Concept. Any additional information would be appreciated.
This downtube bears a striking resemblance to the Ti Megatube
My Ti Megatube from 1997
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“One morning you wake up, the girl is gone, the bikes are gone, all that's left behind is a pair of old tires and a tube of tubular glue, all squeezed out"
Sugar "Kane" Kowalczyk
#1825
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Thank you Bianchigirl, much appreciated.
I am reasonably confident that it is all original, perhaps they had some left over components when they discontinued the Campione del Mondo.
It is cleaning up nicely and should be a good riding bike.
I am reasonably confident that it is all original, perhaps they had some left over components when they discontinued the Campione del Mondo.
It is cleaning up nicely and should be a good riding bike.