fell twice in two days :(
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Advice is usually worth what you pay for, so here’s mine. Forget your ambidextrous unclipping and only unclip with your natural tendency, your leftward lean. Develop a new habit and force yourself to unclip in advance of stops and your brain will no longer be confused.
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as a beginner, the moment of stress where a sudden stop has to happen and i violently twist my right foot counterclockwise and wonder "is it going to release!?!?" is far worse than the two or maybe three times i've tipped over in slow motion at a stop. bent a derailleur hanger once, hand full of little spiky plant parts once.
i'd say it doesn't release 1 out of 10 times, but usually i try and get out with enough time to try a few more times or look for something to lean on.
i'd say it doesn't release 1 out of 10 times, but usually i try and get out with enough time to try a few more times or look for something to lean on.
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Now, this is something I'll never understand. I'm hardly the most coordinated person in the world, nor the best bike handler. I'm just a regular guy who likes to ride my bike. I've been riding using clipless pedals since ... 1992 or so. In all of that time, in many situations including uphill stops, unplanned stops, dicey surfaces, bumpy stops, wildlife, etc. - and including riding a tandem with my wife and dealing with the same - I've fallen due to a failure to unclip once, and that was because the screws holding my cleat had loosened (this was within the first 2 years of starting to ride clipless). I'm not saying it couldn't happen tomorrow, and statistically there will be outliers where people just happened to get unlucky, but I just don't understand how this type of thing could happen as often as some people say it does.
It takes less than a second to unclip. If you feel yourself tilting to the clipped-in side, there's more than enough time to unclip on that side before you fall. Don't do anything else, don't try to save it, don't try to figure out what is happening, don't panic, just unclip - THEN, maybe, you can try all that other stuff.
To all those who have never tried clipless and who are hesitant because you're afraid to fall: cyclists put in thousands and thousands of hours riding clipless without falling. IMHO the risk is greatly exaggerated, and it is not something that just happens to all of us periodically.
(Note: this is for riding on the road, I don't do MTB, that's undoubtedly different.)
It takes less than a second to unclip. If you feel yourself tilting to the clipped-in side, there's more than enough time to unclip on that side before you fall. Don't do anything else, don't try to save it, don't try to figure out what is happening, don't panic, just unclip - THEN, maybe, you can try all that other stuff.
To all those who have never tried clipless and who are hesitant because you're afraid to fall: cyclists put in thousands and thousands of hours riding clipless without falling. IMHO the risk is greatly exaggerated, and it is not something that just happens to all of us periodically.
(Note: this is for riding on the road, I don't do MTB, that's undoubtedly different.)
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To all those who have never tried clipless and who are hesitant because you're afraid to fall: cyclists put in thousands and thousands of hours riding clipless without falling. IMHO the risk is greatly exaggerated, and it is not something that just happens to all of us periodically.
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It's best to unclip the uphill foot. This applies to mountain biking (where you may need either foot but not the other to achieve a stable stop on an incline) or on the road (where the crown of the roadway will be uphill). In North America, that'd be your left foot. In the UK or down under, that'd be the right foot.
As others have said, anticipate and come ready before you get to a panic situation. This applies to down shifting as well. I guess that it also applies to many or most things in life, huh?
As others have said, anticipate and come ready before you get to a panic situation. This applies to down shifting as well. I guess that it also applies to many or most things in life, huh?
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it’s strange, everyone i know IRL who switched to clipless has fallen. maybe it’s a speedplay thing, but it takes a surprising and disturbing amount of force for me to unclip - enough that i’m somewhat surprised it doesn’t break something. a HARD twist of my right lower leg does not always unclip. i have to do it while i still have enough forward momentum to try again (or maybe again and again) if it fails.
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it’s strange, everyone i know IRL who switched to clipless has fallen. maybe it’s a speedplay thing, but it takes a surprising and disturbing amount of force for me to unclip - enough that i’m somewhat surprised it doesn’t break something. a HARD twist of my right lower leg does not always unclip. i have to do it while i still have enough forward momentum to try again (or maybe again and again) if it fails.
What I've never had an issue with is leaning the wrong way when unclipping, which seems to be quite a common mistake.
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Now, this is something I'll never understand. I'm hardly the most coordinated person in the world, nor the best bike handler. I'm just a regular guy who likes to ride my bike. I've been riding using clipless pedals since ... 1992 or so. In all of that time, in many situations including uphill stops, unplanned stops, dicey surfaces, bumpy stops, wildlife, etc. - and including riding a tandem with my wife and dealing with the same - I've fallen due to a failure to unclip once, and that was because the screws holding my cleat had loosened (this was within the first 2 years of starting to ride clipless). I'm not saying it couldn't happen tomorrow, and statistically there will be outliers where people just happened to get unlucky, but I just don't understand how this type of thing could happen as often as some people say it does.
It takes less than a second to unclip. If you feel yourself tilting to the clipped-in side, there's more than enough time to unclip on that side before you fall. Don't do anything else, don't try to save it, don't try to figure out what is happening, don't panic, just unclip - THEN, maybe, you can try all that other stuff.
To all those who have never tried clipless and who are hesitant because you're afraid to fall: cyclists put in thousands and thousands of hours riding clipless without falling. IMHO the risk is greatly exaggerated, and it is not something that just happens to all of us periodically.
(Note: this is for riding on the road, I don't do MTB, that's undoubtedly different.)
It takes less than a second to unclip. If you feel yourself tilting to the clipped-in side, there's more than enough time to unclip on that side before you fall. Don't do anything else, don't try to save it, don't try to figure out what is happening, don't panic, just unclip - THEN, maybe, you can try all that other stuff.
To all those who have never tried clipless and who are hesitant because you're afraid to fall: cyclists put in thousands and thousands of hours riding clipless without falling. IMHO the risk is greatly exaggerated, and it is not something that just happens to all of us periodically.
(Note: this is for riding on the road, I don't do MTB, that's undoubtedly different.)
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And as far as the motorist that honked at you, thinking you might go through the stop, I don't come-in-hot to at a road crossing/intersection where I intend to come to a full stop. I want the motorists to be very aware of what my stopping intentions are, and make them comfortable. I don't need them jamming their brakes on, and possibly cause a another trailing motorist to quickly swerve around them to avoid the accident, and hit ME.
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Maybe. I haven't used Speedplay pedals. I've used Look, SPD, SPD-SL and Crank Bros. My current road bike has SPD-SL pedals and I set the release to the lightest setting. They clip out quite easily. I find that they clip out easier twisting my heel inward toward the frame and that seems easier on my knees too.
What I've never had an issue with is leaning the wrong way when unclipping, which seems to be quite a common mistake.
What I've never had an issue with is leaning the wrong way when unclipping, which seems to be quite a common mistake.
Years ago, I did lose a cleat screw making it impossible to release. Fortunately, I was near an upright and could use that for support while I undid the shoe!
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It has nothing to do with the type of pedals. I’m a right foot down person for decades and I’ve ended up leaning left and gone down.
It is so natural I don’t think about it, but once when I was going so slow and not thinking I leaned left with my right foot out. There was no reaction I just went over at basically a dead stop. I was so surprised it happened. Never have I ever thought about it. I’m old so I chalked it up to a senior moment.
But I do purposefully turn the front wheel to the right when I stop from a very slow speed. Quick stops are not a problem.
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It is so natural I don’t think about it, but once when I was going so slow and not thinking I leaned left with my right foot out. There was no reaction I just went over at basically a dead stop. I was so surprised it happened. Never have I ever thought about it. I’m old so I chalked it up to a senior moment.
But I do purposefully turn the front wheel to the right when I stop from a very slow speed. Quick stops are not a problem.
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it’s strange, everyone i know IRL who switched to clipless has fallen. maybe it’s a speedplay thing, but it takes a surprising and disturbing amount of force for me to unclip - enough that i’m somewhat surprised it doesn’t break something. a HARD twist of my right lower leg does not always unclip. i have to do it while i still have enough forward momentum to try again (or maybe again and again) if it fails.
”Everyone has fallen.” No. Absolutely not the case. I rode clipless over a decade before hearing a first report of someone falling. If the pedals made people fall they should be illegal.
The OP reports a minimum of five falls, two of them recent. He is going to keep falling. It might get less frequent with practice. The next fall will happen. Any who are remotely at risk of falling due to one style of pedals should be on simpler pedals. Or not riding.
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“Surprising and disturbing amount of force...to unclip” is just wrong. This is not a case of a user who hasn’t learned or a user who needs more practice, this is a bike that isn’t working. If you don’t have enough basic mechanical sense to tell the difference between a broken bike and an imperfect human then don’t ride bikes. Bikes are machines. Mechanical contrivances. Simple enough machines that most can operate them without thinking about it, not suited to those who are going to have endless difficulties.
”Everyone has fallen.” No. Absolutely not the case. I rode clipless over a decade before hearing a first report of someone falling. If the pedals made people fall they should be illegal.
The OP reports a minimum of five falls, two of them recent. He is going to keep falling. It might get less frequent with practice. The next fall will happen. Any who are remotely at risk of falling due to one style of pedals should be on simpler pedals. Or not riding.
”Everyone has fallen.” No. Absolutely not the case. I rode clipless over a decade before hearing a first report of someone falling. If the pedals made people fall they should be illegal.
The OP reports a minimum of five falls, two of them recent. He is going to keep falling. It might get less frequent with practice. The next fall will happen. Any who are remotely at risk of falling due to one style of pedals should be on simpler pedals. Or not riding.
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“Surprising and disturbing amount of force...to unclip” is just wrong. This is not a case of a user who hasn’t learned or a user who needs more practice, this is a bike that isn’t working. If you don’t have enough basic mechanical sense to tell the difference between a broken bike and an imperfect human then don’t ride bikes. Bikes are machines. Mechanical contrivances. Simple enough machines that most can operate them without thinking about it, not suited to those who are going to have endless difficulties.
”Everyone has fallen.” No. Absolutely not the case. I rode clipless over a decade before hearing a first report of someone falling. If the pedals made people fall they should be illegal.
The OP reports a minimum of five falls, two of them recent. He is going to keep falling. It might get less frequent with practice. The next fall will happen. Any who are remotely at risk of falling due to one style of pedals should be on simpler pedals. Or not riding.
”Everyone has fallen.” No. Absolutely not the case. I rode clipless over a decade before hearing a first report of someone falling. If the pedals made people fall they should be illegal.
The OP reports a minimum of five falls, two of them recent. He is going to keep falling. It might get less frequent with practice. The next fall will happen. Any who are remotely at risk of falling due to one style of pedals should be on simpler pedals. Or not riding.
yes, i'm relatively new to cycling. i've had, as noted, two or maybe three slow motion falls in 1,500 miles of clipless riding over three months. i ride in the city, with lots of stops and starts, sometimes very abruptly, on routes which are as often as not new to me. i like being clipped in enough that the small risk (twice in 100 hours, and decreasing in frequency) is worth it to me. as new as i may be, lots of people i know very well have ridden clipless since it was a thing, and literally every single one has a couple of these slow-motion falls at an unexpected red light, car door, whatever. it's very impressive that you associated only with people for 10 years who never once had an unclip fail!
one thing that i've found is a big help for urban cycling is to just look for a railing, post, barricade, parking meter, etc to lean on instead of always unclipping. OP's reports of 5 falls spans 17 years and includes one pretty unusual freak occurence, an inadvertent re-clip.
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your helpful and positive tone is noted! i don't believe there is anything wrong with my pedals or cleats - they've been checked out and the cleats reinstalled by a professional fitter with thousands of hours of experience adjusting pedals, cleats, and bikes, and his response was [paraphrased] "yes, it takes a lot more force than you'd think to clip and unclip these." i do wish the release was a little more consistent. maybe at some point i'll try some different pedals and shoes, but i really like the minimal profile and light weight of the speedplay pedals.
yes, i'm relatively new to cycling. i've had, as noted, two or maybe three slow motion falls in 1,500 miles of clipless riding over three months. i ride in the city, with lots of stops and starts, sometimes very abruptly, on routes which are as often as not new to me. i like being clipped in enough that the small risk (twice in 100 hours, and decreasing in frequency) is worth it to me. as new as i may be, lots of people i know very well have ridden clipless since it was a thing, and literally every single one has a couple of these slow-motion falls at an unexpected red light, car door, whatever. it's very impressive that you associated only with people for 10 years who never once had an unclip fail!
one thing that i've found is a big help for urban cycling is to just look for a railing, post, barricade, parking meter, etc to lean on instead of always unclipping. OP's reports of 5 falls spans 17 years and includes one pretty unusual freak occurence, an inadvertent re-clip.
yes, i'm relatively new to cycling. i've had, as noted, two or maybe three slow motion falls in 1,500 miles of clipless riding over three months. i ride in the city, with lots of stops and starts, sometimes very abruptly, on routes which are as often as not new to me. i like being clipped in enough that the small risk (twice in 100 hours, and decreasing in frequency) is worth it to me. as new as i may be, lots of people i know very well have ridden clipless since it was a thing, and literally every single one has a couple of these slow-motion falls at an unexpected red light, car door, whatever. it's very impressive that you associated only with people for 10 years who never once had an unclip fail!
one thing that i've found is a big help for urban cycling is to just look for a railing, post, barricade, parking meter, etc to lean on instead of always unclipping. OP's reports of 5 falls spans 17 years and includes one pretty unusual freak occurence, an inadvertent re-clip.
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your helpful and positive tone is noted! i don't believe there is anything wrong with my pedals or cleats - they've been checked out and the cleats reinstalled by a professional fitter with thousands of hours of experience adjusting pedals, cleats, and bikes, and his response was [paraphrased] "yes, it takes a lot more force than you'd think to clip and unclip these." i do wish the release was a little more consistent. maybe at some point i'll try some different pedals and shoes, but i really like the minimal profile and light weight of the speedplay pedals.
yes, i'm relatively new to cycling. i've had, as noted, two or maybe three slow motion falls in 1,500 miles of clipless riding over three months. i ride in the city, with lots of stops and starts, sometimes very abruptly, on routes which are as often as not new to me. i like being clipped in enough that the small risk (twice in 100 hours, and decreasing in frequency) is worth it to me. as new as i may be, lots of people i know very well have ridden clipless since it was a thing, and literally every single one has a couple of these slow-motion falls at an unexpected red light, car door, whatever. it's very impressive that you associated only with people for 10 years who never once had an unclip fail!
one thing that i've found is a big help for urban cycling is to just look for a railing, post, barricade, parking meter, etc to lean on instead of always unclipping. OP's reports of 5 falls spans 17 years and includes one pretty unusual freak occurence, an inadvertent re-clip.
yes, i'm relatively new to cycling. i've had, as noted, two or maybe three slow motion falls in 1,500 miles of clipless riding over three months. i ride in the city, with lots of stops and starts, sometimes very abruptly, on routes which are as often as not new to me. i like being clipped in enough that the small risk (twice in 100 hours, and decreasing in frequency) is worth it to me. as new as i may be, lots of people i know very well have ridden clipless since it was a thing, and literally every single one has a couple of these slow-motion falls at an unexpected red light, car door, whatever. it's very impressive that you associated only with people for 10 years who never once had an unclip fail!
one thing that i've found is a big help for urban cycling is to just look for a railing, post, barricade, parking meter, etc to lean on instead of always unclipping. OP's reports of 5 falls spans 17 years and includes one pretty unusual freak occurence, an inadvertent re-clip.
Look pedals arrived in early 80s. I was a late adopter, started 1987 if memory serves. Got SPD for the MTB in 1989. First time anyone I knew or anyone I heard about had trouble with clipping or unclipping was when first version of SPD-SL was introduced. Those were junk and did not last long on market. Then suddenly lots of reports of trouble. With every pedal that had never been a problem before. And it never ends. It seems like buyers are taught these things are difficult and users do as taught.
The next fall is an independent variable. If you are still riding the last fall apparently was not that bad. There is no reason to conclude you keep being lucky. Taking regular falls leads to the bad fall that ends your riding career.
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Wear a helmet always.
Wear hand gloves so you can avoid scratches and bleeding when you put your hands on the street.
Ride slowly and do not race.
Wear hand gloves so you can avoid scratches and bleeding when you put your hands on the street.
Ride slowly and do not race.
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SPD with SH 56 cleats that will allow panic-unclipping in many directions, or, dare I say it, zero retention, true clipless pedals?
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Of course I've had my share of falls, mostly when I first went clipless, and all at crowded intersections. Nothing like an audience for your screw ups!
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