Fake? Colnago
01-10-23, 03:43 AM
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Fake? Colnago
No where in the listing does it say the frame IS what the decal says...
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-bike-frames-...-xl/1646636857
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-bike-frames-...-xl/1646636857
01-10-23, 09:17 AM
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No Colnago expert--what's the givaway(s?). Seems like a nicely-built frame nonetheless.
01-10-23, 09:57 AM
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At least whoever put the Columbus decals on that frame used the correct ones for a repainted frame (Riverniciato).
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01-10-23, 10:52 AM
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If it is a “Colnago” it will be the “Sport” model, given the heart shaped lug cutouts and lack of clover cutouts, and 3 brake cable guides rather than 2. I have one of these Colnago Sport frames, looks very close,,,
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Looks purty damn good to me. Do you all think Colnago maybe made a pro team's framesets?
01-10-23, 12:09 PM
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My first thought was colnago sport, but those seat stays have a subtle wraparound to them. That is not what I recall the sport having.
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01-10-23, 12:12 PM
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Not a real Colnago that I have ever seen, and does not look like a Colnago Sport to me .
(chainstay crimps, no number stamps, BB not shown, heart lugs, holes at top of seatstays, rear brake bridge reinforcements look "catalog", fork is matching but also doesnt look Colnago)
(chainstay crimps, no number stamps, BB not shown, heart lugs, holes at top of seatstays, rear brake bridge reinforcements look "catalog", fork is matching but also doesnt look Colnago)
01-10-23, 01:11 PM
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some details that I notice (but may be inaccurate cause I cannot enlarge any of the photos): that BB shell is distinctive and I believe a similar shell was ID'd at one time by somebody here, probably @juvela.
It may be an Italian make (but not Colnago), but that shell plus the long dropouts (are they Campy 1010 as I think, I cannot read the stamping?) seem maybe incongruous with the "slightly more modern" details like WB and shifter bosses and under BB cable routing.
But could be a transitional from late '70s to early '80s since the brakes (at least the front/fork ) is for nutted style. Not sure about the rear bridge.
Possible that an older frame got braze-ons and updates along with the "tri-colore" paint job.
Speaking of the fork I could be misled by photo distortion but the fork blades sure seem like they could be more the Reynolds "Imperial" oval than Columbus or the later Reynolds "Continental" oval (in section).
It may be an Italian make (but not Colnago), but that shell plus the long dropouts (are they Campy 1010 as I think, I cannot read the stamping?) seem maybe incongruous with the "slightly more modern" details like WB and shifter bosses and under BB cable routing.
But could be a transitional from late '70s to early '80s since the brakes (at least the front/fork ) is for nutted style. Not sure about the rear bridge.
Possible that an older frame got braze-ons and updates along with the "tri-colore" paint job.
Speaking of the fork I could be misled by photo distortion but the fork blades sure seem like they could be more the Reynolds "Imperial" oval than Columbus or the later Reynolds "Continental" oval (in section).
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I was idly watching one of those YouTube “How to paint your bike” videos the other day. It was kind of a junker frame, the guy even said it was. Anyway when he was all done, he says “and now for the finishing touch”, he commenced to slap on a Colnago head tube decal, no explanation or nuthin, seemed proud of himself though,,,Arghh!
01-11-23, 02:16 PM
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Paint job looks decent.
01-12-23, 10:33 AM
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Sold in boxes of 100 to anyone on the planet.
https://framebuildersupply.com/colle...forcement-pair
generic brake bridge reinforcement
https://framebuildersupply.com/colle...forcement-pair
generic brake bridge reinforcement
01-12-23, 12:03 PM
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My guess is this is for the Allen style which means it is NOT the same as the fork takes. If all my guesses are correct then that fork is probably not original to the frame.
01-12-23, 03:07 PM
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I can't zoom in very well on the photos, but from what I can see, it looks like the fork takes a recessed Allen bolt.
01-12-23, 03:21 PM
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Thanks. Looks recessed to me.
01-12-23, 03:24 PM
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is that the view of that bridge from the outboard (as I assume) or inboard surface? it looks like a serrated washer is stuck on but whether or not the critical thing is if the inboard hole is large (to accommodate an Allen style mounting piece) or small diameter (for an external nut) on the rear caliper.
My guess is this is for the Allen style which means it is NOT the same as the fork takes. If all my guesses are correct then that fork is probably not original to the frame.
My guess is this is for the Allen style which means it is NOT the same as the fork takes. If all my guesses are correct then that fork is probably not original to the frame.
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Ah! I think I was mistaken about the fork now that I see that 300% zoom-in. Looks quite possible that both front and rear could take the recessed Allen head bolts.
So beggars the question: why the long Campy 1010 dropouts? If all these "1980s details" are original I'd expect to see shorty DOs in a production frame.
AND I still want to know: what brand is this BB shell (I had to take a screengrab):
So beggars the question: why the long Campy 1010 dropouts? If all these "1980s details" are original I'd expect to see shorty DOs in a production frame.
AND I still want to know: what brand is this BB shell (I had to take a screengrab):
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If it were a Colnago, it would have to be a Sport. I have never seen one in person, but from the photos I have found online, this bike shares exactly zero details. Apparently, Colnago outsourced the Sport frames, but one would expect they would issue specifications to provide similarities across frames if they were using multiple builders. On the other hand, I have a Masi Nuovo Strada and a Torelli that, while they use different tubing, are identical in every detail. It's obvious they came off the same production line. I believe they were both made by Mondonico.