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Old 08-15-22, 10:11 PM
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Welcome! Can't wait to see the pix.
Thanks! Can't wait to share. I've been lurking in this thread for years, so much knowledge and so many great pics to look at.
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Old 08-16-22, 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
Hi, here's what I hope is a new topic, but I apologize if it is old hat.

I'm rebuilding my 1952 Rudge Aero Special, a 27" Reynolds-framed drop bar bike made in Nottingham. Current stage is to install the H/S cups and the fork. I've been told the head tube IDs are to be 30.0 mm, and mine are (actually 29.97 mm, if I can believe my Harbor Freight digital caliper!). Also, Park Tool says the maximum allowed interference in such a press-fit installation is to be maximum 0.2 mm (not 0.20 mm for some reason).

My fixed cups have OD of 30.28 mm, so the interference is too great to use, if Park Tool is correct. Has anyone ever installed a HS with this much interference? The head tube is 531 with nicely brazed lugs and 70 years old. Should I go ahead and use these cups? They MIGHT be the ones which came out of the frame originally, actually I think they are, but I didn't mark them carefully when I pressed them out and put them in the parts cleaner.

Am I really at risk of cracking my head tube if I force these in, with a pretty decent HS press?

BTW, the bike frame size is about 54 or 55 cm c-c with 27" wheels. Overall geometry is long and laid back, a precursor to the Super Course and the International of 1971.
You'd likely get a better response in the bicycle mechanics forum.
A good bike shop will have a headset reaming and facing tool that will machine the head tube so that the top and bottom have the correct ID and the ends are parallel. It takes a few minutes if the headset is not installed.
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Originally Posted by Unca_Sam View Post
You'd likely get a better response in the bicycle mechanics forum.
A good bike shop will have a headset reaming and facing tool that will machine the head tube so that the top and bottom have the correct ID and the ends are parallel. It takes a few minutes if the headset is not installed.
Yes, I'll try mechanics. I do have and have used a reamer/facer as you describe, but I don't think I have a set of cups which fit. The ones which I think were original are about 0.3 mm oversize. After reaming mine are 29.98 mm ID. But I don't have a lot of cutters.
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There is a nice old made in Austria, 3 SPEED, J.C. HIGGINS bike that someone in the WILMINGTON, DELAWARE vicinity should get as it is for sale for only $29.99 on EBAY (location is actually in Garnet Valley, PA which is the most southeast in PA on the Delaware border, about 11 miles from Wilmington Delaware.
This ancient JC HIGGINS (I think probably made for Sears by PUCH) has that neat, really cool chainring which spells out JC HIGGINS, and of course a cottered three piece crank. At $29.99, this one is nice........appears to have an 1980's era seat, and is missing the front fender, but everything else appears solid, decent and intact.
Appears to be an almost oxblood reddish wine color, and possibly 21.5" frame. Its a nice looking 60+ year old three speed that will clean up and ride nice. Local only. Not shipping.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/195236381423
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Originally Posted by Vintage Schwinn View Post
There is a nice old made in Austria, 3 SPEED, J.C. HIGGINS bike that someone in the WILMINGTON, DELAWARE vicinity should get as it is for sale for only $29.99 on EBAY (location is actually in Garnet Valley, PA which is the most southeast in PA on the Delaware border, about 11 miles from Wilmington Delaware.
This ancient JC HIGGINS (I think probably made for Sears by PUCH) has that neat, really cool chainring which spells out JC HIGGINS, and of course a cottered three piece crank. At $29.99, this one is nice........appears to have an 1980's era seat, and is missing the front fender, but everything else appears solid, decent and intact.
Appears to be an almost oxblood reddish wine color, and possibly 21.5" frame. Its a nice looking 60+ year old three speed that will clean up and ride nice. Local only. Not shipping.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/195236381423
The 3 speed hubs on those are terrific. They are an aw knockoff done extremely well. If it's the matching shifter those are great too.
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The two Sports I curate are being resuscitated and Id like to replace the bottom-end Kendas on one of them. No more Col de la Vies or World Tours? Whats the preference and sources for better tires these days?
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The two Sports I curate are being resuscitated and Id like to replace the bottom-end Kendas on one of them. No more Col de la Vies or World Tours? Whats the preference and sources for better tires these days?
https://en.boutiquevelovintage.com/p...age/pneus-650a

Not sure what the hot ticket is but I found Michelins.
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Apparently shipping is more than the tires!
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The two Sports I curate are being resuscitated and Id like to replace the bottom-end Kendas on one of them. No more Col de la Vies or World Tours? Whats the preference and sources for better tires these days?
I put these Schwalbe tires on a 1940 Sports, and they really look the part: https://www.schwalbetires.com/Delta-...-Plus-11101072



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Old 08-18-22, 07:41 PM
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I've got a pair of 1" Continental City Slickers waiting for high performance 650A rims to happen along. Not of great use for now.
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The two Sports I curate are being resuscitated and Id like to replace the bottom-end Kendas on one of them. No more Col de la Vies or World Tours? Whats the preference and sources for better tires these days?
I've been happy with the Schwalbe Delta Cruisers on my Robin Hood Sports.

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The two Sports I curate are being resuscitated and I’d like to replace the bottom-end Kendas on one of them. No more Col de la Vies or World Tours? What’s the preference and sources for better tires these days?
I got a set of Col de la vies from the seller "bikewagon" on Ebay a few months back, Currently, they don't seem to have any.

Ebay seller "bellsbikeshop" has some listed as "Panaracer Randonnee Tire 26x1-3/8" (ISO Size 590) 650A". The listing says they have more than 10 available.

I would post a link, but the forum won't let me.
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I got a set of Col de la vies from the seller "bikewagon" on Ebay a few months back, Currently, they don't seem to have any.

Ebay seller "bellsbikeshop" has some listed as "Panaracer Randonnee Tire 26x1-3/8" (ISO Size 590) 650A". The listing says they have more than 10 available.

I would post a link, but the forum won't let me.
Good sleuthing, thanks! I've purchased from both sellers before and didn't think to check. I had those on a Sports that I passed along and I thought they were great tires. They were wide and I had to massage the fenders now and then to keep them inside, especially the front.
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Originally Posted by browngw View Post
I've been happy with the Schwalbe Delta Cruisers on my Robin Hood Sports.
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I put these Schwalbe tires on a 1940 Sports, and they really look the part: https://www.schwalbetires.com/Delta-...-Plus-11101072
Two votes for the Schwalbes...Perennial has them. I'll go with the wisdom of the community. I'm tempted to stash a pair of Col de la Vies but I really don't need them, so let someone else enjoy them while they last.
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Alright, finally 10 posts! Here is my 1976 Sports resto-mod. I've owned the bike for 11 years or so, and it was unmodified until around 2020. The hub, frame and few bolts are the only original things left. I was only able to pull this project off thanks to the things I learned on this forum (and Sheldon Brown!).

Top pics are from last year, bottom pics are show a different bar and seat (which I much prefer).

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Old 08-19-22, 09:40 AM
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I've got a pair of 1" Continental City Slickers waiting for high performance 650A rims to happen along. Not of great use for now.
Look on ebay.co.uk. I've found new alloy 650A rims there. The 40 hole version has gotten hard to find.
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Excellent work. Do you have any write up of the changes you made and the parts used?. I also have a Sports in same color in nice condition and would like to make some similar upgrades.
Thanks, James
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Excellent work. Do you have any write up of the changes you made and the parts used?. I also have a Sports in same color in nice condition and would like to make some similar upgrades.
Thanks, James
Thanks! I couldn't figure out what format would be best, so hopefully this screenshot will do.

Small things that come to mind: I'm not aware of another nice 25.4 seatpost. Also, the Soma fork has almost identical geometry to the original, and it's so nice in person...



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Buyer Beware!
A friend of mine brought this P.O.S over yesterday to see if I could help.

His room mate had bought it from a guy who "fixes bikes".....
A sad collection of mis matched and bent parts.
It arrived with neither front or rear wheels properly tightened.
Originally a Murray built Brentwood (Woolco brand) 3 speed (Shimano)
Probably late 70's.
it arrived with a single speed free wheel.
Mis matched wheel sizes
A twisted stem (odd size at 21.1
Ugly/stupid pedals that I would swap out but these are 1/2" and all my stuff is 9/16"
The only good part was a new chain

As it originally appeared.

I'd like to know how much he paid.
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Thanks! I couldn't figure out what format would be best, so hopefully this screenshot will do.

Small things that come to mind: I'm not aware of another nice 25.4 seatpost. Also, the Soma fork has almost identical geometry to the original, and it's so nice in person...


Thanks for this. It will be useful if I make some updates to mine. You did a fantastic job on yours.
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Does this count as an English 3-speed?
Posted here before with an AW hub. Now it has an ASC from 1948 and a Harden front hub from 1949.
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Does this count as an English 3-speed?
Posted here before with an AW hub. Now it has an ASC from 1948 and a Harden front hub from 1949.
I think it would mostly depend on the make of the frame, but could certainly be considered a hybrid of sorts due to having English parts?
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That's a Franglais 3 speed. With very nice hubs.
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By the way, the hubs are laced to Weinmann 27" hookless alloy rims. What should the spoke tension be with the old alloy shell ASC or the Harden? The front wheel requires replacement of the spokes due to them being galvanized and dulled.
I'm afraid of cracking especially the rear hub shell.
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