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Old 02-25-23, 02:32 PM
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In praise of gugie

This bike is nowhere near done but I will probably tour a bit with it like this... Plus bottle cages. Thing is it's going to be the lightest touring rig I've ever had. Gugie 650b-a-fied my Austro Daimler and it feels wonderful!

So light I don't mind using a flyer!


The ancient mirror is excellent.

Campy front mech was the only thing that worked up here, that I had.

Was going to use a Vx but I had this in the stash.

An ancient tail light with a peter white conversion bulb.
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Beautiful bike! Would love to find one locally.
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Originally Posted by AdventureManCO
Beautiful bike! Would love to find one locally.
And it does have one piece of campy!
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so I'm assuming that Gugie added the braze-on's for the brakes, the Tubus Tara front rack (great rack! I've got one too), and the mini-rack up front? Looks like there might have been a right rear drop-out replaced too?

Love the Stronglight crank arms.. that old logo is just so classic!

What the heck is that big sprocket in back? 52T?
You're in central Illinois, and everyone knows that there aren't any hills. (just river valleys, though).
... unless you count "rolling hills", like Jubilee-Brimfield road... which, on a light bike, is almost like riding a roller coaster!



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Originally Posted by nlerner


I must not have received a modification as extensive as you; your bike is now obviously leagues faster than my 'Gugificazione', judging by the way your chainstay decal is being blown of bit by bit

Perhaps some clearcoat is in order? But then you'd lose braggin' rights...

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I was excited when Russell told me he was planning on taking a trip that included a stop in Portlandia to drop off his frame and get a ride in last summer. Also honored that he'd trust the Bike Butcher of Portland do a 659b conversion.

Here's the Flickr album that shows all the mods.
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The (self confessed) Bike Butcher of Portland?

an Italian, butchering British and Austrian and other fine brands.....

must be a conspiracy, to raise the status of Italian racers.


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Originally Posted by 52telecaster
This bike is nowhere near done but I will probably tour a bit with it like this...
Could it be that adding 3 more chainring bolts is part of the work that's scheduled?
Lots of chainrings do fine with only 3 bolts, but TA rings are built pretty light, might be best to fill all 6 of the holes if "heavy pedaling" is expected. I actually managed to crunch a TA inner that was attached at only 3 points once, but that was mountain biking. Fairly extreme pedaling at the time, trying "with all my might" to clear some obstacle. Maybe more sedate road riding would be 100% fine.
Hit me up for some bolts if you don't have any, or a source local to you. If you do need some, please measure one of your existing spacers for me. They came in a number of different thicknesses. A measurement to the nearest half-millimeter is good enough, no micrometer required.

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Originally Posted by bulgie
Could it be that adding 3 more chainring bolts is part of the work that's scheduled?
Lots of chainrings do fine with only 3 bolts, but TA rings are built pretty light, might be best to fill all 6 of the holes if "heavy pedaling" is expected. I actually managed to crunch a TA inner that was attached at only 3 points once, but that was mountain biking. Fairly extreme pedaling at the time, trying "with all my might" to clear some obstacle. Maybe more sedate road riding would be 100% fine.
Hit me up for some bolts if you don't have any, or a source local to you. If you do need some, please measure one of your existing spacers for me. They came in a number of different thicknesses. A measurement to the nearest half-millimeter is good enough, no micrometer required.

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That's the beauty of the TA/Stronglight 6-bolt standard. You can have just three and keep the wonderful symmetry whereas with the 5-bolt standards, lose one bolt and you have to remove all the rest to get that symmetry back.
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How Many Gugificazione?

gugie how many Gugificazione 650b conversions populate the world these days?



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Originally Posted by gugie

...also honored that he'd trust the Bike Butcher of Portland do a 659b conversion.
Gugie's so special he designs his mods around a proprietary wheel size

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Originally Posted by Wildwood
The (self confessed) Bike Butcher of Portland?
an Italian, butchering British and Austrian and other fine brands.....
must be a conspiracy, to raise the status of Italian racers.
It's worse. I frenchify British, Italian, and Austrian frames. My excuse if anyone complains and says this is wrong is, well, they're now French (as in it's not wrong, it's French).

Originally Posted by Andy Antipas
gugie how many Gugificazione 650b conversions populate the world these days?
You'd think I'd keep track. I think I'm around 40 now.

Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
Gugie's so special he designs his mods around a proprietary wheel size
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Well, nine is greater than zero, so it's gotta be faster.
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Originally Posted by gugie

Well, nine is greater than zero, so it's gotta be faster.
In that case, I suppose the next question will be obvious: can you make it go to 6511b?

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Originally Posted by Andy Antipas
gugie how many Gugificazione 650b conversions populate the world these days?



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Man, where I live snow = salt, and that photo is just going to give me nightmares! Heck, it warmed and dried up enough a week or so ago I managed to get in some riding- but now the 2 bikes I took out have a fine layer of salty sand-dust all over them. The OCD is screaming at me that I have to completely dismantle, clean & relube everything now! Has to happen to one of them to paint the frame- I'm hoping that scratches the itch. But man, road salt is a sin on so many levels.
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Originally Posted by 52telecaster
And it does have one piece of campy!
Better than mine right now lol
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Snow, Ice, and Salt oh my

Originally Posted by ehcoplex
Man, where I live snow = salt, and that photo is just going to give me nightmares! Heck, it warmed and dried up enough a week or so ago I managed to get in some riding- but now the 2 bikes I took out have a fine layer of salty sand-dust all over them. The OCD is screaming at me that I have to completely dismantle, clean & relube everything now! Has to happen to one of them to paint the frame- I'm hoping that scratches the itch. But man, road salt is a sin on so many levels.
I l live in Durango and I finished building my Moto-Gugie around Christmas 2021 and I took photos outside when we have snow 99% of the time. This bike won't see any snow, ice, or salt.

Because of its rarity, I'm counting on this bike becoming a valuable commodity that I can cash in and buy that grass hut in Tahiti when I retire ( gugie )
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Originally Posted by steelbikeguy
so I'm assuming that Gugie added the braze-on's for the brakes, the Tubus Tara front rack (great rack! I've got one too), and the mini-rack up front? Looks like there might have been a right rear drop-out replaced too?

Love the Stronglight crank arms.. that old logo is just so classic!

What the heck is that big sprocket in back? 52T?
You're in central Illinois, and everyone knows that there aren't any hills. (just river valleys, though).
... unless you count "rolling hills", like Jubilee-Brimfield road... which, on a light bike, is almost like riding a roller coaster!



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It's a 36. So 26-36 is my bailout touring gear. Trust me, once in a great while I will need it.
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Originally Posted by bulgie
Could it be that adding 3 more chainring bolts is part of the work that's scheduled?
Lots of chainrings do fine with only 3 bolts, but TA rings are built pretty light, might be best to fill all 6 of the holes if "heavy pedaling" is expected. I actually managed to crunch a TA inner that was attached at only 3 points once, but that was mountain biking. Fairly extreme pedaling at the time, trying "with all my might" to clear some obstacle. Maybe more sedate road riding would be 100% fine.
Hit me up for some bolts if you don't have any, or a source local to you. If you do need some, please measure one of your existing spacers for me. They came in a number of different thicknesses. A measurement to the nearest half-millimeter is good enough, no micrometer required.

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I've run many miles that way. The key is to get the velo orange hardware. It's orders of magnitude better.
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Originally Posted by gugie
I was excited when Russell told me he was planning on taking a trip that included a stop in Portlandia to drop off his frame and get a ride in last summer. Also honored that he'd trust the Bike Butcher of Portland do a 659b conversion.

Here's the Flickr album that shows all the mods.
659s are my favorite but only if they are Bs. Thanks man.
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gugie's work

Trial built

As I built it!
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Gugie had a hand in this one, an '87 Schwinn Voyageur brought back from the rusty dead. Nicknamed Schwinderella, circa 2017.

650b Voy right side by Doc Mertes, on Flickr
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Since this appears to have become a 'Share Your Gugificazione' thread, I'll make a small contribution.

Mark added a second set of bottle cage bosses on the seat tube, filled in the internal brake cable guide holes on the top tube and added external guides (note they're offset to 11 o'clock). He also filled in the holes for the internally-routed gear cables, adding external gear lever bosses and a pair of Campy guides on top of the shell as well as a diver's helmet stop on the chainstay for good measure:



After the torch-work, he took the frame and fork to be media blasted, resulting a beautiful, even matte finish. I wanted to keep that look, so clear-coated the frame with matte Krylon clear.

In this close-up, you can see the clean brazing around the edges of the Campy guide, and just make out the plugged hole the FD cable used to emerge from in the original, internally routed configuration:



Of course it carries the 'Seal of Approval'; note the exclamation point is absent - the tiny dent wouldn't allow it to lay flat and stay stuck. Oh, well:



Apres-Cino, 2021 - exactly the type of ride I had in mind when pitching my vision to Mark:



The bike currently resides in his garage, patiently awaiting the next Cino. Fingers crossed, that will be July of this year; it'll be nice to get reacquainted with this bike - and get a gander at how the patina is developing!

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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
Apres-Cino, 2021 - exactly the type of ride I had in mind when pitching my vision to Mark:



The bike currently resides in his garage, patiently awaiting the next Cino. Fingers crossed, that will be July of this year; it'll be nice to get reacquainted with this bike - and get a gander at how the patina is developing!

DD
The amazing thing is that DD rode Cino on those 25mm wide tires! No flats! Now all we need to do is figure out how to coordinate getting the Casati up to Kalispell in July.
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