Want to dabble in gravel riding but not get a second set of wheels
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Rene Herse Stampede Pass in extralight. Wide enough for riding gravel like you describe and supple for the asphalt. I run the Chinook Pass extralight 28 mm on the road here in Toronto and the are phenomenal. For something like the Caledon Trail, from Tottenham to Terra Cotta I used Bon Jon Pass 35 which worked well enough but wouldn't fit your frame. Last week when I was riding there were riders with 28 mm tires and they seem to be doing just fine. As an added bonus if you do that trail there is a bakery at the halfway point.
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Crushed limestone is the primary stone found in most gravel roads. That said, it is true that on rail trails it is often more like gravel dust. On the local rail trail the new gravel they put down is the normal stuff but it gets a ton of traffic and is ground down and/or pushed to the shoulders. When hitting a recently redone stretch you might wish for some bigger tires, but most of the miles would be fine on any road tire with less pressure.
The GK slicks are similar (and are made in the same factory); a bit more protection, a bit less supple, and a lot less expensive.
Overall most 32c will be in the sweet spot if you want just one tire, very little sacrifice on the road and lower the pressures a bit and they will be great for light gravel.
The GK slicks are similar (and are made in the same factory); a bit more protection, a bit less supple, and a lot less expensive.
Overall most 32c will be in the sweet spot if you want just one tire, very little sacrifice on the road and lower the pressures a bit and they will be great for light gravel.
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Then get as wide a quality slick as your frame can handle and ride.
compass/rene herse, panaracer, schwalbe, goodyear- something in 32 and slick that's quality.
Traction on a rail trail will almost totally comes from tire volume.
compass/rene herse, panaracer, schwalbe, goodyear- something in 32 and slick that's quality.
Traction on a rail trail will almost totally comes from tire volume.
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I was in the same boat as you recently. For light dry gravel I was surprised how well 28mm Gatorskins work. I thought not having tread would be an issue but it really hasn't been. In fact, there is a benefit in that little rocks don't get kicked up to hit the frame with slicks. I tried Panaracer Gravel King SK+ (great tires) but found as long as I was careful I liked the Gatorskins better. Thus I think your tires are actually fine. However, you will want to experiment with lower tire pressures in the 60-85 psi to improve traction and comfort.
What you might want to do is put some 3M paint protection film to protect your frame. Its cheap and easy to remove if you find you don't want to do much more gravel.
One downside to gravel riding is it is much dustier and your drivetrain/frame will get dirtier quicker. But it is quite fun and it reminds me of being a kid riding my Schwinn Varsity tank of a bike *everywhere*. That poor bike - I actually broke the axle on it once
What you might want to do is put some 3M paint protection film to protect your frame. Its cheap and easy to remove if you find you don't want to do much more gravel.
One downside to gravel riding is it is much dustier and your drivetrain/frame will get dirtier quicker. But it is quite fun and it reminds me of being a kid riding my Schwinn Varsity tank of a bike *everywhere*. That poor bike - I actually broke the axle on it once
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these are the ones I used, https://www.merlincycles.com/schwalb...00c-98628.html
they were about $33 pre-Covid.
they were about $33 pre-Covid.
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Be aware that the GP5k's don't have very durable sidewalls, so when riding anything rocky like an eroded section of dirt or fire road, be very careful not to let the sidewalls rub against exposed rocks. Keep the wheels out of crevices.
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I would definitely go with some protected tyres to prevent cuts and flats, and in the widest variant you can fit in the frame to help comfort. To me it feels pointless getting fragile race tyres, only to ride them in uneven gravel, mud and what not. Boggles my mind fragile tyres like The original Gravel King or the above mentioned G-one speed is even marketed as a "gravel tyres". What "gravel" is that? Where I live they wouldn't last an hour :-)
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Man... It sure is hard to determine what actually is a true gravel road. There are some really tough people out there that consider a two mile stretch of baseball size rocks just gravel. For my light unpaved or poorly paved, or haven't been repaved in 60 years, gravel roads, I went to touring tires.
"Continental Tour Ride Urban Bicycle Tire" - Think they call it urban because of the puncture resistance. They are cheap enough to give um a try without breaking the bank...
"Continental Tour Ride Urban Bicycle Tire" - Think they call it urban because of the puncture resistance. They are cheap enough to give um a try without breaking the bank...
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I don't like Gatorskins, but I don't mind the 4 seasons tires at all.
I ride GP5ks on my road bike, and I end up doing short 1 or 2 mile gravel sections on it pretty regularly. I agree that they have are prone to sidewall cuts and that they are a poor choice for riding gravel, but I"ve been lucky thus far and had no incidents.
But that's real mid-western gravel, as in farm roads.. I don't have any qualms about riding the GP5ks on local rail trails. YMMV
I ride GP5ks on my road bike, and I end up doing short 1 or 2 mile gravel sections on it pretty regularly. I agree that they have are prone to sidewall cuts and that they are a poor choice for riding gravel, but I"ve been lucky thus far and had no incidents.
But that's real mid-western gravel, as in farm roads.. I don't have any qualms about riding the GP5ks on local rail trails. YMMV
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I’ll be hitting up a dirt farm road today. Let’s see how I do! I’ll be sure to take some air out of the tires.
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I ride both Gatorskins and more recently GP5000's. Both ride fine though the GP's definitely ride nicer, as they are designed to do.
I have thousands of miles of mixed surface riding on Gatorskins and never had a flat. I have hundreds of miles on GP'S with fewer mixed surface miles. Again, no flats. Yet every ride on mixed surface with the GP'S the thought of punctures is on my mind.
I have thousands of miles of mixed surface riding on Gatorskins and never had a flat. I have hundreds of miles on GP'S with fewer mixed surface miles. Again, no flats. Yet every ride on mixed surface with the GP'S the thought of punctures is on my mind.
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I do that on 28mm Schwalbe One Addix TLE.
FWIW Serotta says you can ride just about anything on 28s.
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In the US, and west in general, our marketing machines tell us we need specialized equipment for every situation. This trickles down to thinking we need new gear before trying something with what we have.
As someone mentioned, 27" bikes with what we consider today almost unridable tires used to be taken on cross country tours, road riding, gravel riding and trail riding.
I have nothing against people getting new stuff, but the sport is about riding. For that we can often just use what we have and see how well it works.
As someone mentioned, 27" bikes with what we consider today almost unridable tires used to be taken on cross country tours, road riding, gravel riding and trail riding.
I have nothing against people getting new stuff, but the sport is about riding. For that we can often just use what we have and see how well it works.
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Also noticed better overall turn handling and even power from lowering the pressure a bit with no loss of overall performance. I may just keep it like this!
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I agree. You Can do a lot on 28s, I do too. But there's definitely a limit. Soft sand, no. Chunky gravel, no (except at 1 mph). Same with wash board surfaces. They will rattle your brain. Then again, broken tarmac. Good gravel etc. no problem at all. Just watch out for pinch flats if you run tubes and, imo, get tyres that has decent flat protection.
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I agree. You Can do a lot on 28s, I do too. But there's definitely a limit. Soft sand, no. Chunky gravel, no (except at 1 mph). Same with wash board surfaces. They will rattle your brain. Then again, broken tarmac. Good gravel etc. no problem at all. Just watch out for pinch flats if you run tubes and, imo, get tyres that has decent flat protection.
Wouldn't the people in the Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational) sub-forum know more about this?
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Same here. 40mi D2R2 Green River route on 28mm - most of it looked like that. Just don't overcook in the turns and watch out for deep sand.
Correct, one should use the right tool for the job. WorldIRC , just go out and ride the trail with what you have and see what it's like, that the least path of resistance. If you don't like it, get the widest tire your bike will fit with at least a file tread or better (GravelKings, G-One, etc.)
Yup, pretty much half the posts are about tires.
Correct, one should use the right tool for the job. WorldIRC , just go out and ride the trail with what you have and see what it's like, that the least path of resistance. If you don't like it, get the widest tire your bike will fit with at least a file tread or better (GravelKings, G-One, etc.)
Yup, pretty much half the posts are about tires.
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In the US, and west in general, our marketing machines tell us we need specialized equipment for every situation. This trickles down to thinking we need new gear before trying something with what we have.
As someone mentioned, 27" bikes with what we consider today almost unridable tires used to be taken on cross country tours, road riding, gravel riding and trail riding.
I have nothing against people getting new stuff, but the sport is about riding. For that we can often just use what we have and see how well it works.
As someone mentioned, 27" bikes with what we consider today almost unridable tires used to be taken on cross country tours, road riding, gravel riding and trail riding.
I have nothing against people getting new stuff, but the sport is about riding. For that we can often just use what we have and see how well it works.
Ill give you a hint as to which I like most- its the odd numbered tire.
That isnt based on marketing, its actual experience. I can ride faster, more confidently, and more enjoyably when I have a quality and light wide tubeless slick with lower pressure.
Everyone is different and gravel is different depending on location. If someone finds a 28mm tire to be perfect, its their body- cool if they use that for their gravel. It isnt buying into BS marketing if you prefer some gear that is designed to excel in one area of cycling.
I will absolutely say that sometimes the marketing is just laughably BS- a gravel helmet that looks the same as a brand's road helmet? A gravel jersey that looks the same as a brand's road jersey? But that is pretty easy to push thru and ignore.
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