Are there really any classic and or vintage rules?
07-31-20, 07:33 AM
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I have found over the years I have "guidelines" but not hard rules for what I am comfortable with. As an example hitting 70 and loss of flexibility has me raising bars on my customs with Technomics but I can't seem to do it on my Italians, one of which for reasons unknown still have the mechanical mess, but gorgeous, Deltas that have next to no modulation, often just two states, go or locked up.
07-31-20, 08:07 AM
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When you break "The Rules", just confess and be done with it. We don't want to hear any excuses. That is one of the rules.
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07-31-20, 08:48 AM
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08-03-20, 11:38 AM
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08-03-20, 05:38 PM
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I' am in the middle of a similar build with a Masi Special Ltd, OS lugless with 1 1/8" but the effect using some rules I arrived at has made a massive difference to the original modern fixie appearance.
1/ Alloy or polished finish: get all the colour off. Blackened components didn't really take off until the 90's (hard anodised rims the exception)
2/ Thin: Rims (15mm profile max.), Cranks (defined arms, no heavy spiders), spokes (std or DB), Bars (26mm max. no large dia.), Brakes (DP ok but thin profile.)
3/ Solid colour: seat, bar tape and cables preferably black or white but brown, silver or other that works ok but definitely single solid colour.
I thought originally the oversize tubes and steerer would be a problem but the component choice has reduced their visual impact.
Thin appearance/profile and alloy/polished finish is the key.
Oh yeh, if you are ever going threadless use a 17' stem, nothing kills a classic look like having the bars sticking up in the air.
Good luck with the project.
08-03-20, 05:50 PM
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Rules are allot like badges
"Poofy" break cables.
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08-03-20, 06:35 PM
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Keep your vintage bike in the living room & clean it with furniture polish.
08-03-20, 08:37 PM
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Rules are allot like badges https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ
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08-03-20, 09:41 PM
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Waterford 531
Is your 1999 Waterford a W13 model? I have a W13 model I believe was made in 1998 and they are quite rare. Made as a slightly updated tribute to the late 60s early 70s Schwinn Paramount P13 Deluxe Road Race model that was the top of the line in that era. Made of Reynolds 531 tubing and the same ornate chrome lugs as the original P13 but with shifters bosses on the down tube. I still haven’t assembled mine so it is unridden. Painted in a dark green metallic paint it is a beauty. I have plans to use all Dura Ace 7700 which I have gathered piece by piece
from eBay which is where I found the frame. Current bikes are far lighter but the lugged steel frames were rolling art.
from eBay which is where I found the frame. Current bikes are far lighter but the lugged steel frames were rolling art.
08-04-20, 06:01 AM
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I went through this last year. I had my old rb-1 laying about. One thing lead to another....
you can put modern components on old bikes. Yours should be especially easy because it’s later 90s so probably 130mm dropout, etc.
I put a 105 groupo on the bike. Subsequently bought mavic ksyriums of eBay for 200$. Whole thing was 1000 bucks. Maybe a bit less.
worth it? If you treat it as a hobby, yes. Newer bikes are better in many ways. But it’s a fun and relatively cheap way to add a unique steel bike in the quiver.
it was a blast building it. I was surprised how much fun it is to ride. Very smooth. Surprisingly fast. Not my main ride, for sure. But it is a joy to take it out when I do. Like I said, it’s a hobby piece and conversation starter on those cafe style rides.
you can put modern components on old bikes. Yours should be especially easy because it’s later 90s so probably 130mm dropout, etc.
I put a 105 groupo on the bike. Subsequently bought mavic ksyriums of eBay for 200$. Whole thing was 1000 bucks. Maybe a bit less.
worth it? If you treat it as a hobby, yes. Newer bikes are better in many ways. But it’s a fun and relatively cheap way to add a unique steel bike in the quiver.
it was a blast building it. I was surprised how much fun it is to ride. Very smooth. Surprisingly fast. Not my main ride, for sure. But it is a joy to take it out when I do. Like I said, it’s a hobby piece and conversation starter on those cafe style rides.
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08-04-20, 06:07 AM
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As the title states, are there really any rules for what we consider a classic or vintage bike? The reason I’m asking is I’m putting together a project bike. It is a 1999 Waterford. It was the last year for a full Reynolds 531 frame and fork for Waterford. That and the fact is a lugged frame wit a 1” fork. If you didn’t know most folks would say it’s a typical 80’s era bike. The only non vintage thing is no down tube bosses. But that’s isn’t a problem if you use barcon shifters.
Any opinions or suggestions for a proper group.
Any opinions or suggestions for a proper group.
if its original or inspired by an original, is a homage to a classic, or is a limited edition, its a classic. Flame away!
08-04-20, 06:25 AM
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Rules?
if you are a
Serious Collector/Stickler - lots of rules
Casual Collector/ rider - some rules
Average Joe cyclist - no rules
'I saw a movie bike' rider = crazy rules
Hardcore cyclist/adventurer - probably not strictly C&V, but not always
.
So, the correct answer is = It Depends. On you!
if you are a
Serious Collector/Stickler - lots of rules
Casual Collector/ rider - some rules
Average Joe cyclist - no rules
'I saw a movie bike' rider = crazy rules
Hardcore cyclist/adventurer - probably not strictly C&V, but not always
.
So, the correct answer is = It Depends. On you!
Always liked the movie Dodgeball, so going with no rules!
Tim
08-04-20, 06:36 AM
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Is your 1999 Waterford a W13 model? I have a W13 model I believe was made in 1998 and they are quite rare. Made as a slightly updated tribute to the late 60s early 70s Schwinn Paramount P13 Deluxe Road Race model that was the top of the line in that era. Made of Reynolds 531 tubing and the same ornate chrome lugs as the original P13 but with shifters bosses on the down tube. I still haven’t assembled mine so it is unridden. Painted in a dark green metallic paint it is a beauty. I have plans to use all Dura Ace 7700 which I have gathered piece by piece
from eBay which is where I found the frame. Current bikes are far lighter but the lugged steel frames were rolling art.
from eBay which is where I found the frame. Current bikes are far lighter but the lugged steel frames were rolling art.
08-04-20, 07:34 AM
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Classic and vintage rules:
No not-white socks, no long socks, no sandals, spare tubulars are to be held by a Binda strap under the saddle, no non-tan wall tires, no cork handlebar tape, stems are horizontal. And of course no brown bikes after 6
No not-white socks, no long socks, no sandals, spare tubulars are to be held by a Binda strap under the saddle, no non-tan wall tires, no cork handlebar tape, stems are horizontal. And of course no brown bikes after 6
08-04-20, 07:38 AM
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^^^^^^^ And no white bikes before Memorial Day (US), right?
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08-04-20, 09:13 AM
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Are we gonna be tested on this? It’s gettin’ to be a lot of rules already. 🤔😉
08-04-20, 10:24 AM
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Apparently some folks think that when wrapping your bars, going tops to ends is a "vintage" rule: https://www.bikeforums.net/21623337-post28.html
08-04-20, 10:39 AM
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You make your own rules,
You build your bike,
You ride it your way,
and enjoy it!
Cheers,
You build your bike,
You ride it your way,
and enjoy it!
Cheers,
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