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Need help with mystery Rossin Quattro Ghibli frame

Old 05-14-20, 02:21 PM
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Need help with mystery Rossin Quattro Ghibli frame

I just picked up this Rossin Quattro frame and it seems to be a mystery to me. Every Quattro frame I have seen with Gilco tubing is white and red. This one seems to have been originally green and yellow. I have searched everywhere for anything on a Quattro frame in green and yellow and have found nothing. Can anyone shed some light on this one? When I purchased it the story I was told was that the seller used to purchase parts from the Rossin factory and this frame came with others he had purchased in this condition. Apparently Rossin sandblasted it then let it sit until sold. I can only assume they painted it the green yellow then decided they didn't like it or that they were not going to offer that color combination. Also would you think it should have the crowned or smooth fork, Gilco frames had one fork but Quattro frames had another. There are no serial numbers on this one only 58 stamped on the B/B. I have two other Rossins and none of them have serial numbers. I included a picture of a green and yellow Gilco frame also known as a Rossin Ghibli.








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Old 05-14-20, 02:25 PM
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I am a Ghibli neophyte, so have nothing to add except my thanks for the post and frame details.
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Old 05-15-20, 12:50 AM
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Mario: Hey Luigi! We only paint out Ghiblis green and yellow!

Luigi: *hic* Sorry boss. *hic*

Interesting they only did a partial chrome. So are you going to paint it green and yellow or red and white? Do you have the fork?
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I haven’t seen a brake bridge like that before...very cool.
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Old 05-15-20, 05:13 AM
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It will go back green and yellow, I have another in the same colors but it's not a Ghibli. I don't have the fork yet. I am trying to figure out witch one it should have, there seems to be two possibilities.
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This is my current Rossin Record

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Originally Posted by cdaniels
This is my current Rossin Record

Beautiful frame.What's the crankset? Is that a C Record with different chainrings?
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Beautiful bikes, the both of them.
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Quattro's were most commonly Fuschia and White (not Red or Rossa) Matrix/Cromor frames that most often came equipped with this style fork, not sure I understand your definition of smooth or crowned fork.






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Originally Posted by jdawginsc
Beautiful frame.What's the crankset? Is that a C Record with different chainrings?
Yes it is, I just never have put the correct chainrings on it yet.
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Originally Posted by m_sasso
Quattro's were most commonly Fuschia and White (not Red or Rossa) Matrix/Cromor frames that most often came equipped with this style fork, not sure I understand your definition of smooth or crowned fork.





Smooth like the second and third from the left. Crowned like the two on the right
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1.) Common to Quattro, Cromor

2., 3. and 5.) All the same fork common to Record, Super Record, Ghibli, SL, SLX

4.) Common to lower end Cromor

5.) Common to Performance line

6.) Common to Prestige


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I still need to figure which fork this frame came with as it is both a Quattro and a Ghibli. I understand that I may never know for sure. The best I can figure so far is it never existed in the yellow green pink colors but it does have remnants of all three colors in the right places. If there is one there must be more right?
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You do not have a Ghibli frame as I mentioned previously. Crimp/ribbed tubing nor diamond chain stays are the characteristic feature of a Ghibli frame. An oversized thick walled BB in combination with crimp tubing, diamond chain stays, pocket brazed drop outs make up some of the characteristic of a Ghibli frame. Your frame like I told you previously is an inexpensive Cormor frame. This is a Ghibli BB which your frame does not have, Cromor, SLX, Oria.......ect tubing all were available as crimp tubing. Who ever told you your frame is a Ghibli frame was deceiving you or sorely mistaken. Also notice how the crimping was done on the green frame, the gradual entrance to the ribbing, not like your abrupt almost squared off crimping on your inexpensive frame.






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I don't think he suggested it's a Ghibli; only that he'd only seen the green/yellow on that model. Not much doubt it's a Quattro as it's embossed on the seat stay caps.Either way I'm sure it will look nice when done.
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Originally Posted by cdaniels
I still need to figure which fork this frame came with as it is both a Quattro and a Ghibli. I understand that I may never know for sure. The best I can figure so far is it never existed in the yellow green pink colors but it does have remnants of all three colors in the right places. If there is one there must be more right?
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I don't think he suggested it's a Ghibli; only that he'd only seen the green/yellow on that model. Not much doubt it's a Quattro as it's embossed on the seat stay caps.Either way I'm sure it will look nice when done.
Did you read what he wrote, "still need to figure which fork this frame came with as it is both a Quattro and a Ghibli.".

It is positively not a Ghibli, it could be SLX but not likely looking at the other characteristics of the frame.
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Originally Posted by m_sasso
You do not have a Ghibli frame as I mentioned previously. Crimp/ribbed tubing nor diamond chain stays are the characteristic feature of a Ghibli frame. An oversized thick walled BB in combination with crimp tubing, diamond chain stays, pocket brazed drop outs make up some of the characteristic of a Ghibli frame. Your frame like I told you previously is an inexpensive Cormor frame. This is a Ghibli BB which your frame does not have, Cromor, SLX, Oria.......ect tubing all were available as crimp tubing. Who ever told you your frame is a Ghibli frame was deceiving you or sorely mistaken. Also notice how the crimping was done on the green frame, the gradual entrance to the ribbing, not like your abrupt almost squared off crimping on your inexpensive frame.





First, you never told me I had or didn't have anything.
Second, I did not state it was a Gilco frame i was only referring to the tubing shape.
Third, I was asking for help identifying what it is not to be criticized about it.
But I guess if I knew everything about Rossins as you seem to I wouldn't have to ask for help from this group.
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Originally Posted by m_sasso
Quattro's were most commonly Fuschia and White (not Red or Rossa) Matrix/Cromor frames that most often came equipped with this style fork,
After owning one Rossin assumed you had enough knowledge to know what your second ownership was without spelling it out directly for you, that you might grasp why I mentioned Matrix/Cromor frames, my bad surmise, in the future you will get zero credit.

And if you are feeling I criticized you by correcting your misguided assumptions, you have much to learn beyond some simple frame knowledge.
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Originally Posted by m_sasso
After owning one Rossin assumed you had enough knowledge to know what your second ownership was without spelling it out directly for you, that you might grasp why I mentioned Matrix/Cromor frames, my bad surmise, in the future you will get zero credit.

And if you are feeling I criticized you by correcting your misguided assumptions, you have much to learn beyond some simple frame knowledge.
My other Rossin is a Record, yes I know about that one. That does not make me an expert on Ghiblis or Quattros. I would think a senior member would be more helpful to others that have not been on the site as long and are looking for help. Regardless, I am not here to argue with anyone, I am here to learn about what I have. If you can help that would be great but if you just want to talk down to me about my knowledge of a particular brand and supposed quality of my frame then please find another thread. I am looking to find out what I can about this frame so it can be put back together accurately, but maybe that is another "misguided assumption".
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That took a turn.

Paint that baby, build it up, ride it and post a couple pictures of it. That frame/fork deserves to be saved
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So on your Record what happened to your pedals, why is it all cross chained up and please rotate your bars around before you hurt somebody. It is a nice bike but does it fit you?
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Originally Posted by m_sasso
So on your Record what happened to your pedals, why is it all cross chained up and please rotate your bars around before you hurt somebody. It is a nice bike but does it fit you?
Seriously.......I have asked you to move on but apparently you won't.
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