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#5226
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I only drew that up like that because I was looking at the Assioma pedals and it looked like the tension screw was on an angle on the backside of the clasp, thereby pulling the clasp up and forward.
Any bracket angle could made up to accomodate different clasp designs/screw angles. If the screw were horizontal when the pedal was level, some more design/engineering would have to go into it, as at that angle, some shear force would be present.
The best design would have
1) to pull the clasp closed (up and forward)
2) act on any mounting hardware in compression while limiting shear/tension forces (because the screws are so small, and materials relatively soft and weak, which makes for a weak interface)
3) and place the strap behind the ball of the foot, ideally as far back as possible. This increases the leverage of the strap against any rotation of the foot, minimizing accidental disengagement.
Any bracket angle could made up to accomodate different clasp designs/screw angles. If the screw were horizontal when the pedal was level, some more design/engineering would have to go into it, as at that angle, some shear force would be present.
The best design would have
1) to pull the clasp closed (up and forward)
2) act on any mounting hardware in compression while limiting shear/tension forces (because the screws are so small, and materials relatively soft and weak, which makes for a weak interface)
3) and place the strap behind the ball of the foot, ideally as far back as possible. This increases the leverage of the strap against any rotation of the foot, minimizing accidental disengagement.
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#5227
Lapped 3x
This design is horrible and is only slightly better than zip-tying your straps to your pedla spindle.
And this one is just as bad.
#5229
Lapped 3x
These, along with the above mentioned ones by Carlton and Bebifudo, are the best because they place the strap better and serve to Acton the clasp in a way that closes it up
#5231
Lapped 3x
The old school slotted cleats could still pop loose if you didn't have the Deep slotted cleats. Using newer pedals with the same system adds a little bit of double redundancy there at least. He probably just ended up having the the rat trap on just to make the pedal easier to slip into. There are the MKS EXA (https://www.mkspedal.com/?q=en/product/node/71) pedals that many Japanese Keirin riders use. It uses the 3 hole mount, but it's a system that's really only feasible for track use, so you would need a different set up for the road to train on.
I did something similar. Mine looked similar but without the rat trap at the front for my speed plays but what I did was have new bow ties machine for the bottom side. They were thicker than normal had a tang on the back and a slot milled into them to accomodate a strap. You needed really stiff straps to be able to get into them easily. I wish I took pictures of the set up.
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Agree, I think the VP is the best off the shelf design at the moment. In my experience, they are basically just like LOOK Keo low-mid level pedals, maybe bearings and materials a little nicer, but basic pedal design. The bearings do develop a little play, but not excessive, and the price is right as well. Recommended.
#5233
Lapped 3x
Agree, I think the VP is the best off the shelf design at the moment. In my experience, they are basically just like LOOK Keo low-mid level pedals, maybe bearings and materials a little nicer, but basic pedal design. The bearings do develop a little play, but not excessive, and the price is right as well. Recommended.
#5234
Lapped 3x
Here are some other Speedplay mods that I came across in case people were interested.
I don't recommend this set up at all as it weakens the strap. I did this the first time around and it held for about a season, but then I went to tighten the straps one time and the strap snapped on me.
This is the better way of doing it
Or even doing this
In this one, the straps are sandwiched between the cleat and a piece of plastic. The screws don't pierce the straps.
I don't recommend this set up at all as it weakens the strap. I did this the first time around and it held for about a season, but then I went to tighten the straps one time and the strap snapped on me.
This is the better way of doing it
Or even doing this
In this one, the straps are sandwiched between the cleat and a piece of plastic. The screws don't pierce the straps.
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^I tried the top one on my Speedplays (just poke a hole in the strap and run a washer/bolt into the bottom of the pedal) agree looks weak especially over time. Hadn't ever seen the one below it, although it looks like a much better solution.
Then again... for my meager starts pulling a pedal would be an accomplishment in itself.
Then again... for my meager starts pulling a pedal would be an accomplishment in itself.
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This is another example of Track getting hand-me-down tech from the Road world where we have very specific (and somewhat easy to solve) needs that we will pay to have met.
This is an opportunity for some pedal company.
This is a great start, but it's still a relatively minor adaptation to the standard Road pedal.
What if a Track pedal were designed from the ground up?
This is an opportunity for some pedal company.
This is a great start, but it's still a relatively minor adaptation to the standard Road pedal.
What if a Track pedal were designed from the ground up?
#5239
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This is another example of Track getting hand-me-down tech from the Road world where we have very specific (and somewhat easy to solve) needs that we will pay to have met.
This is an opportunity for some pedal company.
This is a great start, but it's still a relatively minor adaptation to the standard Road pedal.
What if a Track pedal were designed from the ground up?
This is an opportunity for some pedal company.
This is a great start, but it's still a relatively minor adaptation to the standard Road pedal.
What if a Track pedal were designed from the ground up?
The SPD-R were almost the perfect track pedal in my opinion, Solid metal to metal interface, no chance of breaking a cleat, and strong enough to adapt straps securely. People dropped them when SPD-SL came out. Many were saying (I believe you included) that having the wider/solid platform was a help, from a propriocetive standpoint. So if a wider platform was needed, then SL solved that. All that was needed was a good retention system. One that was strong and adaptable/accepting for straps. If a company like VP can do it, why can't Shimano or LOOK? Because there's no money in it. They already have the lion's share of the high end pedal market, and they're not losing it.
VP comes up with a pedal that was designed for track right from the ground up, and barely anyone buys it. The clasp AND pedal body are slotted to accept straps, single or double. I remember when they first came out years ago, 2011 I think, yet how many people do you see using them? I know of two people who actually own them. How many people are using strap hacks on SL pedals, or LOOKS? I bet you that there are more hacks than VPs. People like us keep saying that we want these track specific products, yet no one goes out and buys them when they hit the market. What message does that send to the manufacturers? If enough people started to buy the VP pedals, you can bet your ass that Shimano and LOOK will offer something. Why? Because they are losing market share.
You want track stuff, buy track stuff when it comes available. If people keep adapting and hacking stuff, then manufacturers have no incentive to make what we want. Why? Because people are still buying their product and it costs them no extra time or money for us to change their product. They are out nothing and we're still buying their product. Buy track stuff, and Shimano and LOOK and will lose out on product and will try to reclaim that market. It's not the offerings that are the problem, it's the consumers.
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Is there anywhere to buy Fujitoshi style straps ( or similar off brand versions?) for reasonable money? As i understand it Fujitoshi stopped making straps a long time ago and all the ones i have seen are extremely expensive.
Thanks
Thanks
#5244
Lapped 3x
There are more brands that make laminated double straps. MKS, and Errebi are two others. Errebi makes the mint green "Sprint" brand straps.
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Zipp 900 users: My axle has become worn so that there is play between the axle and bearing inner races. This is giving an unacceptable amount to radial and lateral runout at the rim. Bearings have just been replaced, so it's not them. I micced the axle under the bearings and it's 14.9mm, bearing inner race being 15mm. Thing is, it's 14.9mm all along the section that sits under and between the bearings, which is a little perplexing because the section between could not have become worn (no contact).
Two questions:
1. Could someone measure their axle for me (where the bearings sit)?
2. Has this happened to anyone else? What was your solution?
Thanks in advance!
Two questions:
1. Could someone measure their axle for me (where the bearings sit)?
2. Has this happened to anyone else? What was your solution?
Thanks in advance!
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Re track straps
Has anyone tried the Ynot brand straps on the track?
They're pretty beefy compared to most pictured. I just love them for street and am curious if they'd transfer... presumably with the zap strap attachment method.
https://youtu.be/rE9GungwI3o
They're pretty beefy compared to most pictured. I just love them for street and am curious if they'd transfer... presumably with the zap strap attachment method.
https://youtu.be/rE9GungwI3o
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Hi all, I have a random question regarding flying 200m gearing on different track lengths / banking angles.
Is there any agreed wisdom on changing your gearing for different tracks types?
For example locally I have a 2 tracks, one is a 450m track with shallow banking and the flying 200m incorporates corners 3 &4.
The other is an indoor 250m Velodrome with very steep banking and the flying 200 starts mid corner between 1/2, continues through corners 3/4 and finishes on the straight.
Do the different tracks require a different gearing or would you tackle them with the same gear?
Sorry if this seems elementary - was just wondering if the additional corners made a difference.
Is there any agreed wisdom on changing your gearing for different tracks types?
For example locally I have a 2 tracks, one is a 450m track with shallow banking and the flying 200m incorporates corners 3 &4.
The other is an indoor 250m Velodrome with very steep banking and the flying 200 starts mid corner between 1/2, continues through corners 3/4 and finishes on the straight.
Do the different tracks require a different gearing or would you tackle them with the same gear?
Sorry if this seems elementary - was just wondering if the additional corners made a difference.
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Hi all, I have a random question regarding flying 200m gearing on different track lengths / banking angles.
Is there any agreed wisdom on changing your gearing for different tracks types?
For example locally I have a 2 tracks, one is a 450m track with shallow banking and the flying 200m incorporates corners 3 &4.
The other is an indoor 250m Velodrome with very steep banking and the flying 200 starts mid corner between 1/2, continues through corners 3/4 and finishes on the straight.
Do the different tracks require a different gearing or would you tackle them with the same gear?
Sorry if this seems elementary - was just wondering if the additional corners made a difference.
Is there any agreed wisdom on changing your gearing for different tracks types?
For example locally I have a 2 tracks, one is a 450m track with shallow banking and the flying 200m incorporates corners 3 &4.
The other is an indoor 250m Velodrome with very steep banking and the flying 200 starts mid corner between 1/2, continues through corners 3/4 and finishes on the straight.
Do the different tracks require a different gearing or would you tackle them with the same gear?
Sorry if this seems elementary - was just wondering if the additional corners made a difference.
One major point is that on a shallow track, there is very little climbing during the windup. On the steep track, there is a significant amount of climbing during the windup.
The second is the dive. On the former track, the dive is from a shallow height. On the latter track, from a much higher point.
Experience on both will guide you more than our words can. You have to go out and practice it...and use various gears doing so. "Big gear" and "Small gear" are all relative terms. Your goal right now is to find out what that "Normal gear" is for you and the track. From there, you can go bigger or smaller.
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Generally speaking, the way you'd approach the flying 200 on the two track mentioned would be significantly different.
One major point is that on a shallow track, there is very little climbing during the windup. On the steep track, there is a significant amount of climbing during the windup.
The second is the dive. On the former track, the dive is from a shallow height. On the latter track, from a much higher point.
Experience on both will guide you more than our words can. You have to go out and practice it...and use various gears doing so. "Big gear" and "Small gear" are all relative terms. Your goal right now is to find out what that "Normal gear" is for you and the track. From there, you can go bigger or smaller.
One major point is that on a shallow track, there is very little climbing during the windup. On the steep track, there is a significant amount of climbing during the windup.
The second is the dive. On the former track, the dive is from a shallow height. On the latter track, from a much higher point.
Experience on both will guide you more than our words can. You have to go out and practice it...and use various gears doing so. "Big gear" and "Small gear" are all relative terms. Your goal right now is to find out what that "Normal gear" is for you and the track. From there, you can go bigger or smaller.
I have a sprint training session coming up for the 250m track the weekend after next and then my first sprint competition is a few days after that. The training session is 2 hours but realistically I assume I will only have a handful of 200m attempts taking rest times into account. Hopefully I can work something out!
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Hi Carlton, thanks for that. If just getting out and testing is the answer, that’s cool. I just wanted to check that there wasn’t some agreed wisdom on gearing adjustment from a control gearing for each track type so I didn’t waste time going the wrong way with the tweaks. My inclination would be to go slightly easier since there is more climbing as you say and more time spent in corners. Maybe with so little experience it doesn’t really matter as line choice will be more important.
I have a sprint training session coming up for the 250m track the weekend after next and then my first sprint competition is a few days after that. The training session is 2 hours but realistically I assume I will only have a handful of 200m attempts taking rest times into account. Hopefully I can work something out!