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Old 10-17-14, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by slindell
Marymoor tried a point a lap + miss and out a couple of years ago. Something about a 35mph neutral lap at the start and the scoring complexities led to it being requested to not be run again by the racers and the officials.
One race that is a staple just north in Burnaby is an Antequena, but it is an "almost never" at Marymoor...
Great race, they work just fine the times I've done them, I wish they were more common- a fantastically tactical race where there's fun and the front and at the back of the string.

I know that there was one of these last year (I was in it), and it worked fine- no confusion other than convincing racers they had to think about more than one thing at a time.
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Originally Posted by Hida Yanra
One race that is a staple just north in Burnaby is an Antequena, but it is an "almost never" at Marymoor...
Great race, they work just fine the times I've done them, I wish they were more common- a fantastically tactical race where there's fun and the front and at the back of the string.

I know that there was one of these last year (I was in it), and it worked fine- no confusion other than convincing racers they had to think about more than one thing at a time.
Could you please explain the race format/rules. I searched Google but came up blank in reference to a bike race.
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Old 10-18-14, 10:28 PM
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Floor pumps suitable for high pressures

Any recommendations for a track pump suitable for high pressure tubs (over 120 psi)? (Normally I read reviews, but most people don't use there pumps for high pressures)

My filzer pro team pump head (lever type) flies off once I hit 120
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Old 10-19-14, 04:28 AM
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SKS Rennkompressor
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Originally Posted by TurtleRacer
Any recommendations for a track pump suitable for high pressure tubs (over 120 psi)? (Normally I read reviews, but most people don't use there pumps for high pressures)

My filzer pro team pump head (lever type) flies off once I hit 120
I have a Lezyne Classic floor pump. Range is over 200 psi. I use several times a week for 4 or 5 years now with no problems and no maintenance. I like that it has the threaded connector to the tire valve (may not work for disc wheels but maybe Lezyne has a solution).

My local velodrome also has one of these pumps with the addition of a pressure release button on the screw-on adapter.

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SKS Rennkompressor
Which pump head does your Rennkompressor have? I'm dubious of lever-style pump heads at higher pressures.
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Old 10-19-14, 12:40 PM
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The mechanics and coaches i know - some with decades worth of experience - all use the Rennkompressor, i cant think of any other bit of kit that is so universal. It is reliable plus you can get spare parts for it if needed (including different types of head)
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I have an aftermarket Hirame pump head.
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Originally Posted by TurtleRacer
Any recommendations for a track pump suitable for high pressure tubs (over 120 psi)? (Normally I read reviews, but most people don't use there pumps for high pressures)

My filzer pro team pump head (lever type) flies off once I hit 120
I used a Specialized "HP" pump that I got at a local shop in 2012. Still going strong.
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Old 10-19-14, 04:23 PM
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I've got an older Silca SuperPista, 200psi is no problem, parts are easily source-able and always will be.
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Old 10-19-14, 08:23 PM
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Im a big fan of thread on pumps, although you have to be careful when taking them off to not unthread your extensions. Lyzne has a version that goes to 160 and 220, both are solid.

Now does anyone have one that fits in a suitcase?!
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Originally Posted by gtrob
Im a big fan of thread on pumps, although you have to be careful when taking them off to not unthread your extensions. Lyzne has a version that goes to 160 and 220, both are solid.

Now does anyone have one that fits in a suitcase?!
Lezyne does...sort of.... depending on the size of your suitcase, it's 60cm tall: https://www.amazon.com/Lezyne-CNC-Tra.../dp/B005UZMUDA
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While we are on the subject, if you are going to pay for a high-end pump, maybe consider a Craftsman handheld air compressor. It goes up to 200PSI. You have to cut off the stock valve and put on one of your choosing. It has a digital readout on the back.

These are AWESOME for pumping up disc with one hand.



They cost $40 if you already have comparable Craftsman rechargeable battery packs. If not, the battery and charger are an additional $70.

It's a luxury, but a really nice one. If you are a team mechanic, I would count this a "must have" item for track days.

An old teammate of mine has one and it's very popular when we are there setting up for a race day or training session. "Hey, can I use that for a sec..." When he finishes with it, he stashes it in his bag because he knows people like to use it.

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yeah, the Rennkompressor is a good pump. probably the best lever-headed pump around.
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Old 10-20-14, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by gtrob
Im a big fan of thread on pumps, although you have to be careful when taking them off to not unthread your extensions. Lyzne has a version that goes to 160 and 220, both are solid.

Now does anyone have one that fits in a suitcase?!
The Specialized Compak is supposed to go to 200 psi and is reported to work well by the one person I have seen with one. Birzman has a high pressure duplicate of the Lyzene travel pump, no idea on if it really works. Taking the base off a Silca super pista takes about 2 minutes for off and on and makes it easy to pack in the bike bag.

As for heads - as mentioned the Lyzene holds well but can unscrew extensions, Silca works but like other press on adapters can requires some pulling to get off with threaded stems which can stress clincher tubes.

For something that lives in the car there are 12v (plug in or battery) high pressure tire pumps in the auto section that go to 240psi. I found one on sale for 10$ a couple of years ago that works great for one handed filling of disk wheels. The recent Silca crack pipes have a Schrader end that goes directly in the auto pumps or the Sears one Carleton mentioned.
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Old 10-21-14, 09:05 AM
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The propriatary Disc Chuck on my Lyzene stays in place without being held on the valve stem about 85% of the time- making it really easy to pump your own disc on race day..

Also the threaded head allows you to not add extensions on your valve stems with Deep-V's since you need less of the stem showing...
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Thanks for the feedback! I like the idea of having an electric pump, but I don't like dealing with batteries and charging.

I ordered a Rennkompressor from amazon.ca - quite a bit cheaper than the lezyne I was looking at. I should have my tubulars glued up by the time it arrives and then the proof is in the pudding.
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Old 10-22-14, 06:06 AM
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Anyone ever been to madrid velodrome? If so, how easy is it to get a sesh there, and are bikes available?

going on a little training hol' in March but with the road bike. Just before the track league starts over here, would like to sample the madrid track if poss.
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Old 10-23-14, 11:55 PM
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Random pro-tip (from a noob): if you have a lever-head pump that pops off at higher pressures (especially with non-threaded valves), a wrap of painters tape on the stem may help keep the valve on.

(My pump that was popping off over 100psi on my unthreaded valve extensions was secure up to 140psi). Necessity is the mother of invention: I needed to glue my tubulars and my new pump hadn't arrived.
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Here's a scenario I think we all can relate to: Your mechanic is in the infield setting up your felt tk1 with your zipp 900 front track disc when he runs into a problem. The axle bolt caps that come stock with the zipp disc are just too large in diameter to fit over the lawyer tabs on the bottom of the fork to secure the wheel properly. How embarrassing.

Well, worry not! I recently found out that the "ultra new" Surly hubs use the same diameter bolt on their hubs. I think it's an M6. The important part here is the bolt cap that Surly uses is a smaller diameter, while also being a lower profile. Time to dust off that disc and get some sweet PRs.
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Old 10-25-14, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MarkWW
Here's a scenario I think we all can relate to: Your mechanic is in the infield setting up your felt tk1 with your zipp 900 front track disc when he runs into a problem. The axle bolt caps that come stock with the zipp disc are just too large in diameter to fit over the lawyer tabs on the bottom of the fork to secure the wheel properly. How embarrassing.

Well, worry not! I recently found out that the "ultra new" Surly hubs use the same diameter bolt on their hubs. I think it's an M6. The important part here is the bolt cap that Surly uses is a smaller diameter, while also being a lower profile. Time to dust off that disc and get some sweet PRs.
Yeah, Zipp uses some odd nuts. I replaced the nuts on my 900 disc with Dura Ace because the shoulders on the Zipp nuts were very narrow and my angled 15mm wrench would slip off frequently.
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Right now i can ride my rollers confidently on the tops of the bars...is it common to find riding on the drops harder? because i seem to find it harder.
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Originally Posted by Owen21
Right now i can ride my rollers confidently on the tops of the bars...is it common to find riding on the drops harder? because i seem to find it harder.
I'd say that's normal. Just double check that your rollers are spaced properly with regards to your wheel base. Google it for instructions. If your wheelbase and rollers aren't within the proper relation to each other, riding can be difficult.
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Old 10-25-14, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Owen21
Right now i can ride my rollers confidently on the tops of the bars...is it common to find riding on the drops harder? because i seem to find it harder.
Normal. More weight on the front wheel makes it twitchier.
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Originally Posted by wens
Normal. More weight on the front wheel makes it twitchier.
Thanks, ill learn to ride on the drops next then
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