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I work for a not-for profit health plan owned by a health system / academic medical center.
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lol. Is this where I'm supposed to get on the bus? How that team actually still sells ticket is beyond me. I still believe they only exist to sell liquor. Some people need a reason to drink. Being a Lions fan qualifies as a reason.
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This statement is not as true as one would believe. Sure, you can sue and allege anything you want, but the following do a pretty good job of keeping suits to real claims:
The bigger issue is medical billing practices. The high prices and subsequent insurance markdowns are used to spread the cost of medical care across society. If you are afraid of "socialized medicine" then you need to realize that it's already here. It's just that the insurance companies are the ones socializing the cost of medical care.
- The cost of litigation - Lawyers are not typically filing suits that they don't believe have a high likelihood of success if they are taking it on a contingency fee basis. We have to weigh how much of our time and money we want to devote to a case that has a low possibility of success. If the client is paying the fees and costs, they don't typically want to foot the bill without a good chance of winning.
- Court procedures - There are penalties for bringing frivolous cases, and they do a pretty good job of keeping those out of the courthouse. I can recount maybe one case in my 37 years that was frivolous
The bigger issue is medical billing practices. The high prices and subsequent insurance markdowns are used to spread the cost of medical care across society. If you are afraid of "socialized medicine" then you need to realize that it's already here. It's just that the insurance companies are the ones socializing the cost of medical care.
Meanwhile, your average PCP gets like 60 bucks for a routine visit.
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This statement is not as true as one would believe. Sure, you can sue and allege anything you want, but the following do a pretty good job of keeping suits to real claims:
The bigger issue is medical billing practices. The high prices and subsequent insurance markdowns are used to spread the cost of medical care across society. If you are afraid of "socialized medicine" then you need to realize that it's already here. It's just that the insurance companies are the ones socializing the cost of medical care.
- The cost of litigation - Lawyers are not typically filing suits that they don't believe have a high likelihood of success if they are taking it on a contingency fee basis. We have to weigh how much of our time and money we want to devote to a case that has a low possibility of success. If the client is paying the fees and costs, they don't typically want to foot the bill without a good chance of winning.
- Court procedures - There are penalties for bringing frivolous cases, and they do a pretty good job of keeping those out of the courthouse. I can recount maybe one case in my 37 years that was frivolous
The bigger issue is medical billing practices. The high prices and subsequent insurance markdowns are used to spread the cost of medical care across society. If you are afraid of "socialized medicine" then you need to realize that it's already here. It's just that the insurance companies are the ones socializing the cost of medical care.
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Good morning Reflector Guy
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For the Cervelo peeps here.. with the R5 accepting 34mm max tire, why would anyone buy a Caledonia 5? The geometry doesn’t seem vastly different.
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The regular Caledonia probably makes the most sense for most people. The Cal 5 is there for the up-sale. The R5 appeals chiefly to the racer-boys.
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There's probably less differentiation than they'd like at this point, the Caledonia 5 was developed at a time when the R3 and R5 officially maxed out at 28mm tires, but there's probably still some comfort/compliance differences and some small stability/agility handling differences. The R5 is their all-out classic race machine - I know that their pro riders were complaining that it was too stiff, particularly the front end, so they made the new R5 a smidge more forgiving. That said, it's probably still stiffer than the Cal 5, which has sections of lower mod cf, iirc, and the dropped stays, both for compliance (and maybe a little aero on the stays). They made a point of mentioning fenders for the Cal 5, too - not sure if they have mounts for them or not...
The regular Caledonia probably makes the most sense for most people. The Cal 5 is there for the up-sale. The R5 appeals chiefly to the racer-boys.
The regular Caledonia probably makes the most sense for most people. The Cal 5 is there for the up-sale. The R5 appeals chiefly to the racer-boys.
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Brr. Most, if not all upcoming polar bear plunges will pale in comparison to this one.
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