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Old 09-20-22, 10:06 PM
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Leg Burn

I pulled my right hamstring in early July, Ortho said grade 2, no black and blue but still painful couldnít walk for a while. He said eight weeks, i road some on the trainer resting my right leg and peddling with my left. Road flats and trainer to ease back into it when they said was appropriate

Started riding road again and after few days my legs started burning every little hill etc. Probably anything over 230 watts burning tops of both thighs. This has been going on for several weeks wondering if itís ever going to get better. Not sure if Iím using different muscles now or what and not sure if I should ride less or ride more. Iíve had my legs burn for a few seconds if I road hard and rested for ten minutes right when start back up but it would go away pretty quick, this doesnít go away. Iíve ridden a few centuries, done some intervals, and Iíve rested no approach seems to help so far
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Originally Posted by Grouperdawg View Post
I pulled my right hamstring in early July, Ortho said grade 2, no black and blue but still painful couldnít walk for a while. He said eight weeks, i road some on the trainer resting my right leg and peddling with my left. Road flats and trainer to ease back into it when they said was appropriate

Started riding road again and after few days my legs started burning every little hill etc. Probably anything over 230 watts burning tops of both thighs. This has been going on for several weeks wondering if itís ever going to get better. Not sure if Iím using different muscles now or what and not sure if I should ride less or ride more. Iíve had my legs burn for a few seconds if I road hard and rested for ten minutes right when start back up but it would go away pretty quick, this doesnít go away. Iíve ridden a few centuries, done some intervals, and Iíve rested no approach seems to help so far
hmmmm... 35 views and no takers so far? BF is losing it's touch...
Did you change your saddle position (to compensate for hamstring re-injury buzzin around in your head)? If so, that will certainly cause some issues.
Coming back hard after a long layoff is the same as doing sprint intervals without doing any warm up...
Just because they haven't been used, doesn't mean that your muscles have lost much strength. It takes many weeks for muscles to really show a strong decrease. However, 'fitness' /aerobic capacity shows marked decrease in 2 weeks and 3 weeks off shows a very significant drop. So, not only are you losing aerobic fitness quicker, you're also losing the ability to fuel the muscles at a quicker rate than the decease in the muscles function. DId you ride centuries and do intervals at some short time after getting back on the bike?
Age can have a hand in all this...
Any concept of working back into cycling effort over a measured and building program?
If the legs hurt when you push your finger into them, that turkey is done... take it out of the oven.
Early July - 2 months would be Labor day for back on bike? Ease on back in? Doesn't sound like it.
if you want the burn to go away, real recovery rides, every ride, for probably at least 2 weeks or as long as it takes to get the legs to stop hurting from a simple poke. Then ease back into a building rate of efforts over following weeks, not days. Need I mention stretching and self-massage (If you can regularly 'get' a massage, even better...)
'Recovery ride' nothing much above mid zone 2, only when a hill requires get near 50% FTP... slow down, easy cadence, but a light spin. If you're not waving to small children as they pass you on their bikes, you;re goin too fast, working too hard...
it works...
Ride On
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Originally Posted by Grouperdawg View Post
I pulled my right hamstring in early July
Injured from riding or a different activity?
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I didn't go to medical school or stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but the burning sensation on both legs leads me to believe that it's a matter a combination of lost fitness, stroke compensation, and psychosomatic perception.
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Hamstrings work in conjunction with the quadriceps muscles. That burn you feel at the top of the thigh is the quad counteracting the hamstring.

Are you saying the pain is in the quads rather than the hammys?

If so, you're pushing too hard. Your quads have been pushed to the limit trying to make up whatever you lost in the hammys.

Back way off, only start when you're feeling 100%, and don't push it in the meantime. Otherwise you risk a quad tear. Believe me, you don't want this.
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Are you 16 years old? Hamstring pull bad enough for a doctor visit in July and you are doing centuries plural and intervals by September? If you push yourself all the time with no restraint yes you can have problems. Did we ever get as far as determining why the initial hamstring pull occurred? Pulling a ham on a bike is not an easy thing to do, if it occurs there is a reason. Or maybe the ham pull was not on the bike? Can't tell.
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Honestly. I think threads like this shouldn't be allowed. I have no idea how many things you should need to have ruled out here, some of which could be quite serious.
For example, I've had pain that doesn't go away turn out to be blood clots. Not saying that's likely here, but how the hell would we know?

Talk to your doctor, not some internet nerds.
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Originally Posted by Grouperdawg View Post
I pulled my right hamstring in early July, Ortho said grade 2, no black and blue but still painful couldnít walk for a while. He said eight weeks, i road some on the trainer resting my right leg and peddling with my left. Road flats and trainer to ease back into it when they said was appropriate

Started riding road again and after few days my legs started burning every little hill etc. Probably anything over 230 watts burning tops of both thighs. This has been going on for several weeks wondering if itís ever going to get better. Not sure if Iím using different muscles now or what and not sure if I should ride less or ride more. Iíve had my legs burn for a few seconds if I road hard and rested for ten minutes right when start back up but it would go away pretty quick, this doesnít go away. Iíve ridden a few centuries, done some intervals, and Iíve rested no approach seems to help so far
Order some Sport Legs supplements and try them.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Honestly. I think threads like this shouldn't be allowed. I have no idea how many things you should need to have ruled out here, some of which could be quite serious.
For example, I've had pain that doesn't go away turn out to be blood clots. Not saying that's likely here, but how the hell would we know?

Talk to your doctor, not some internet nerds.
+1
For me it was a side effect of Pravastatin.
Coach diagnosed it.
Doc fixed me up.

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Old 09-21-22, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cyclezen View Post
hmmmm... 35 views and no takers so far? BF is losing it's touch...
Did you change your saddle position (to compensate for hamstring re-injury buzzin around in your head)? If so, that will certainly cause some issues.
Coming back hard after a long layoff is the same as doing sprint intervals without doing any warm up...
Just because they haven't been used, doesn't mean that your muscles have lost much strength. It takes many weeks for muscles to really show a strong decrease. However, 'fitness' /aerobic capacity shows marked decrease in 2 weeks and 3 weeks off shows a very significant drop. So, not only are you losing aerobic fitness quicker, you're also losing the ability to fuel the muscles at a quicker rate than the decease in the muscles function. DId you ride centuries and do intervals at some short time after getting back on the bike?
Age can have a hand in all this...
Any concept of working back into cycling effort over a measured and building program?
If the legs hurt when you push your finger into them, that turkey is done... take it out of the oven.
Early July - 2 months would be Labor day for back on bike? Ease on back in? Doesn't sound like it.
if you want the burn to go away, real recovery rides, every ride, for probably at least 2 weeks or as long as it takes to get the legs to stop hurting from a simple poke. Then ease back into a building rate of efforts over following weeks, not days. Need I mention stretching and self-massage (If you can regularly 'get' a massage, even better...)
'Recovery ride' nothing much above mid zone 2, only when a hill requires get near 50% FTP... slow down, easy cadence, but a light spin. If you're not waving to small children as they pass you on their bikes, you;re goin too fast, working too hard...
it works...
Ride On
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thx for taking the time to write this detailed post. I havenít changed anything on the bike

Iím not sure on the exact date, but Iím pretty sure the full eight weeks would have been the week before Labor Day bc Labor Day was try start of the centuries. So may have been end of June. But i started peddling maybe a week half before that which was encouraged

The centuries were with 28 riders and I sat in so wasnít much work except some hills but still burned. We did 130 the longest day

Took five days off after that

age is 50

alot of that makes sense, bc my muscles donít feel weak. They just burn like crap

have done a good bit of the massage and normatec
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Injured from riding or a different activity?
Tennis
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Are you 16 years old? Hamstring pull bad enough for a doctor visit in July and you are doing centuries plural and intervals by September? If you push yourself all the time with no restraint yes you can have problems. Did we ever get as far as determining why the initial hamstring pull occurred? Pulling a ham on a bike is not an easy thing to do, if it occurs there is a reason. Or maybe the ham pull was not on the bike? Can't tell.
yes not on the bike, I wiped out trying to run a ball down tennis. It was ugly.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Honestly. I think threads like this shouldn't be allowed. I have no idea how many things you should need to have ruled out here, some of which could be quite serious.
For example, I've had pain that doesn't go away turn out to be blood clots. Not saying that's likely here, but how the hell would we know?

Talk to your doctor, not some internet nerds.
Ortho really didnít have much to say , just watch it and come back if it stayed bothersome in a few weeks

just seemed like maybe others on a big forum like this might have had a similar experience and might share their experience
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Originally Posted by Grouperdawg View Post
Ortho really didnít have much to say , just watch it and come back if it stayed bothersome in a few weeks

just seemed like maybe others on a big forum like this might have had a similar experience and might share their experience
I started riding bicycles to get stronger for dirt biking. After doing both for a while my quads burned a lot, seemed like all the time. It took a long time for it to stop happening.
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I started riding bicycles to get stronger for dirt biking. After doing both for a while my quads burned a lot, seemed like all the time. It took a long time for it to stop happening.
Thx
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Thx
I was just thinking about a roller or roller ball. I use a plastic ball on my quads sometimes to help recovery. Some people swear by the foam rollers.
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Originally Posted by Grouperdawg View Post
Ortho really didnít have much to say , just watch it and come back if it stayed bothersome in a few weeks

just seemed like maybe others on a big forum like this might have had a similar experience and might share their experience

I wasn't trying to be harsh at you, but I think when you started describing abnormal pain that doesn't go away with rest, you are really asking us to a) diagnose you and b) suggest cures or treatment. That's medical advice, whether or not it's based on our personal anecdotes.

This isn't necessarily an ortho problem at this point, btw, and it might make sense to discuss this with a GP. I will tell you that when I had my first leg blood clot, I had to insist on an ultrasound, the doctor said he ordered it just to humor me, and the ultrasound found a really large clot the doctor was sure wouldn't be there. To be clear, I'm not suggesting you have blood clots, just that sometimes you need to be a bit pushy in convincing a doctor something is not normal.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I wasn't trying to be harsh at you, but I think when you started describing abnormal pain that doesn't go away with rest, you are really asking us to a) diagnose you and b) suggest cures or treatment. That's medical advice, whether or not it's based on our personal anecdotes.

This isn't necessarily an ortho problem at this point, btw, and it might make sense to discuss this with a GP. I will tell you that when I had my first leg blood clot, I had to insist on an ultrasound, the doctor said he ordered it just to humor me, and the ultrasound found a really large clot the doctor was sure wouldn't be there. To be clear, I'm not suggesting you have blood clots, just that sometimes you need to be a bit pushy in convincing a doctor something is not normal.
I was born with a congenital heart defect. It was of a type that might have required corrective surgery later in life. When my heart started acting up at age 25 (when I was in the best shape of my life), one cardiologist I was seeing at the university hospital in Pittsburgh was sure there was nothing seriously wrong despite the folks at the children's hospital saying "We see this from time to tome. Give him a cath." I could tell something was seriously wrong. Instead, they did a series of non-invasive tests after each test suggested I needed the next one. They even had me see a shrink to assess whether it was stress from law school. (it wasn't.) They finally said "We think you need to have a cath." The night before the cath the aforementioned cardiologist told me he didn't think the cath would turn up anything serious. The day after the cath the chief cardiologist came to see me along with Dr. Know it All and said "You need to have surgery within a year or you could suffer permanent heart damage. It supremely gratifying to look at Dr. Know it All and literally say "Told you so." No way I was going to wait a year. I had the surgery a couple of weeks before the start of my third year.
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Originally Posted by Grouperdawg View Post
yes not on the bike, I wiped out trying to run a ball down tennis. It was ugly.
Thought so.

Do you see the pattern of behavior yet? Your doctors are backing off because they know you aren't listening. You will listen when you bring them something big and expensive and nothing they can do until then.

Training gains are consolidated with rest and recovery. You have absolute zero notion of rest and recovery.

At age 50 the schedule of intervals you can effectively absorb is not much. Intervals will still be effective done properly. No intervals at all until the pain is well in the rearview. Which is always the case.

You are chronically overtrained. A young guy could continue riding at 95% (being very cautious not to overdo it) and be done with overtraining in a month. Or six weeks. At 50 allowing yourself to get overtrained is a big mistake. it will be hard to even tell when compensation and healing has happened. It won't be soon. Mostly you are just speeding up the aging process.

It is not all over at 50. Not even close. If you continue to behave like a teenager you are going on the injury list. If injury is the only way to slow you down injury will come.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Honestly. I think threads like this shouldn't be allowed. I have no idea how many things you should need to have ruled out here, some of which could be quite serious.
For example, I've had pain that doesn't go away turn out to be blood clots. Not saying that's likely here, but how the hell would we know?

Talk to your doctor, not some internet nerds.
This^^^^

I'm always astounded how people log on to a forum of bike enthusiast seeking medical advice.

If I'm not feeling well I make an appointment with my doctor. I don't make an appointment at the local bike shop for what is ailing me.
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If I'm not feeling well I make an appointment with my doctor. I don't make an appointment at the local bike shop for what is ailing me.
Funny.

Most people make an appointment with a doctor AND talk to others to see if theyíve had similar experiences.
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I wasn't trying to be harsh at you, but I think when you started describing abnormal pain that doesn't go away with rest, you are really asking us to a) diagnose you and b) suggest cures or treatment. That's medical advice, whether or not it's based on our personal anecdotes.

This isn't necessarily an ortho problem at this point, btw, and it might make sense to discuss this with a GP. I will tell you that when I had my first leg blood clot, I had to insist on an ultrasound, the doctor said he ordered it just to humor me, and the ultrasound found a really large clot the doctor was sure wouldn't be there. To be clear, I'm not suggesting you have blood clots, just that sometimes you need to be a bit pushy in convincing a doctor something is not normal.
Roger that , on the flip side Iíll ask my doctor when I go in next week for my physical about possibility of clots which I never would have thought of if you hadnít said anything so thats a good thing. I think it makes sense that it takes longer then I would have thought to build back up my threshold and doing too much too quick but it canít hurt to ask him about the clots

Little different but one of the guys in our club he had blood clots a couple weeks ago and on the group chat and someone mentioned thatís common with cancer to ask his doctor about that and sure enough he has gall bladder and liver cancer.
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Originally Posted by 63rickert View Post
Thought so.

Do you see the pattern of behavior yet? Your doctors are backing off because they know you aren't listening. You will listen when you bring them something big and expensive and nothing they can do until then.

Training gains are consolidated with rest and recovery. You have absolute zero notion of rest and recovery.

At age 50 the schedule of intervals you can effectively absorb is not much. Intervals will still be effective done properly. No intervals at all until the pain is well in the rearview. Which is always the case.

You are chronically overtrained. A young guy could continue riding at 95% (being very cautious not to overdo it) and be done with overtraining in a month. Or six weeks. At 50 allowing yourself to get overtrained is a big mistake. it will be hard to even tell when compensation and healing has happened. It won't be soon. Mostly you are just speeding up the aging process.

It is not all over at 50. Not even close. If you continue to behave like a teenager you are going on the injury list. If injury is the only way to slow you down injury will come.
ok thx
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Roger that , on the flip side Iíll ask my doctor when I go in next week for my physical about possibility of clots which I never would have thought of if you hadnít said anything so thats a good thing. I think it makes sense that it takes longer then I would have thought to build back up my threshold and doing too much too quick but it canít hurt to ask him about the clots

Little different but one of the guys in our club he had blood clots a couple weeks ago and on the group chat and someone mentioned thatís common with cancer to ask his doctor about that and sure enough he has gall bladder and liver cancer.

They had to rule that out for me a couple years ago when I got several unexplained blood clots. The lab was actually having trouble locating some of the tests that were ordered.
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