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Old 09-18-22, 07:04 PM
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And it's not a Canadian model with that full chaincase. Nice.
1981 must have been close to the end......
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Rockin' this "old in spirit" english 3 speed this morning for 27 glorious miles.


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My Canadian 1979 DL1 was sold new at Pieriks Cycle in Hamilton Ontario with a full chain case. I was led to believe that we in Canada had two choices, full or none. I had a 1977 that had never had a chaincase mounted. The 79 now belongs to another BF member.

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As purchased.
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New Panaracer 650a tires for my (what I'm calling) '64 Triumph Sports restomod-mod. I call it that because I believe its an early '60s Triumph Sports that had 1970s parts added to it later in life, and now I'm going to add 1950s French parts to the ensemble with a nice flat 'albastache' like handlebar that I found on French ebay and have had in my parts bin. Ooh la la! The wheels polished up pretty nicely. I just need to service the GH6 and do some more work on the S5.

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New Panaracer 650a tires for my (what I'm calling) '64 Triumph Sports restomod-mod. I call it that because I believe its an early '60s Triumph Sports that had 1970s parts added to it later in life, and now I'm going to add 1950s French parts to the ensemble with a nice flat 'albastache' like handlebar that I found on French ebay and have had in my parts bin. Ooh la la! The wheels polished up pretty nicely. I just need to service the GH6 and do some more work on the S5.

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You saw the bike wagon/level 9 sports 650A col de la vie listing in Ebay too?
Locally I could choose Kenda 803 or K40 in skinwall, or Schwalbe Delta in black. The Col de la Vie tires were the same price with shipping as the Delta Cruiser.
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You saw the bike wagon/level 9 sports 650A col de la vie listing in Ebay too?
Locally I could choose Kenda 803 or K40 in skinwall, or Schwalbe Delta in black. The Col de la Vie tires were the same price with shipping as the Delta Cruiser.
I've had the Panaracer tires before and they're my favourite, I think as close as we get to a basically nice supple tire close to the expensive 650b offerings. I found these from Soma Fab on sale! Shipping to Canada wasn't so bad, surprisingly.
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Care to lend me your eyes to judge the size on this frame?



Thinking about a rider who's 5-5ish, wondering if its worth a drive across town.

Take a guess at the year too, if you're so inclined. I promise your estimations aren't legally binding.

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I think the women's frame of that time are about the equivalent of a 19" to 20" frame. I'm guessing it's a 73.
It should fit a 5'5" rider.
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Originally Posted by d2702 View Post
Care to lend me your eyes to judge the size on this frame?

Thinking about a rider who's 5-5ish, wondering if its worth a drive across town.

Take a guess at the year too, if you're so inclined. I promise your estimations aren't legally binding.
That's a 19.5" frame, 1980-82 US spec.

Concur with @clubman - perfect size for 5' 5"-ish. Worth the drive if $70 or less. Throw some Tektro 800A's on it to improve the braking performance and you are done.

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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
That's a 19.5" frame, 1980-82 US spec.

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US eh? I was guessing early 70's cuz of the Gran Sport colour scheme. I've never seen one of those. I'm surprised you still got Westrick rims that late in the game. Canadian models got weird in the 80's.
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US eh? I was guessing early 70's cuz of the Gran Sport colour scheme. I've never seen one of those. I'm surprised you still got Westrick rims that late in the game. Canadian models got weird in the 80's.
I'm not sure if the UK spec mirrored these, but I've found it's better to clarify when I'm ID'ing based on my knowledge of US models, especially when product lines started to diverge in this era.

The US Sports went two-tone in 1978 and never looked back until it was retired from our lineup in 1982 (of course, it lived on for a number of years afterwards in the UK, but was soon retooled).






Come to think of it, It was either '81 or '82 when Raleigh changed the downtube transfers to stickers, and this silver one still has transfers. '79-81 is my guess.

Here's my '80 (with a '75-76 chainguard); I'm sure you've seen it before:




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Anyone in Illionis (Morton Grove) want to go halfsies on this Lemon Yellow Sports? I need the fenders off of it, don't need the rest. Seller won't split it up.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/14473415183...8AAOSwFexiiFNN

Wheelset and parts are good, frameset is definitely a customization candidate, as the paint is nicked up beyond belief. I don't feel bad about the prospect of removing the much-nicer-than-the-rest fenders off this frame.




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Anyone in Illionis (Morton Grove) want to go halfsies on this Lemon Yellow Sports? I need the fenders off of it, don't need the rest. Seller won't split it up.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/14473415183...8AAOSwFexiiFNN

Wheelset and parts are good, frameset is definitely a customization candidate, as the paint is nicked up beyond belief. I don't feel bad about the prospect of removing the much-nicer-than-the-rest fenders off this frame.




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But no chainguard!
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Originally Posted by Unca_Sam View Post
But no chainguard!
I consider the fenders a lot more difficult to find in good shape, given how small time sellers are disappearing off eBay. The ones on this bike are surprisingly intact.

The chainguard will make itself known eventually. In the meantime, I definitely want to secure the fenders.

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55 Triumph

I just brought down a 1955 Triumph (SA hub) women's bike from my neighbors garage. He gave to me since he's moving and trying to clean up. No seat or seat post--paint and decals in pretty good condition--tires (Dunlap) turned to tar. Wheels turn easy--click click from hub. Chain and wheel crank are very stiff.
I'm not into too perfect a restoration but what are some fairly good tires--I bought some from Walmart for my Indian 3 speed--2 years ago and they're already dry rot.
Ignorant about saddles--see some with just the frame and cover--others that are sprung. What are reasons for difference? My Indian originally had a Wright sprung saddle--replaced with a soft cushion vinal cover sprung saddle. I am now becoming aware of Brooks saddles and they look great-- see them with and without springs. Looking for any ideas.

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I bought some from Walmart for my Indian 3 speed--2 years ago and they're already dry rot.
Schwalbe tires if you don't mind modern tread; Michelin World Tours if you can get you hands on them. Both are good quality tires that won't prematurely dry-rot.

Pararacer Col De La Vie if you want the highest-end tire possible (though I feel they're a bit wasted on steel rims, TBH).

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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Schwalbe tires if you don't mind modern tread; Michelin World Tours if you can get you hands on them. Both are good quality tires that won't prematurely dry-rot.

Pararacer Col De La Vie if you want the highest-end tire possible (though I feel they're a bit wasted on steel rims, TBH).

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This is a fair point - I think for my Triumph I want to see how I like the the bike - but more than that - if the S5.1 hub runs reliably for a bit before I decide on what to do wheels-wise. 650a alloy is very much cheaper than pretty silver alloy 650b, and I have a practically NOS '56 AW and a '48 dynohub with the bakelite cover waiting in the box for a job. I may end up using the '62 dynohub since the bakelite must be quite brittle after 74 years...
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I just brought down a 1955 Triumph (SA hub) women's bike from my neighbors garage. He gave to me since he's moving and trying to clean up. No seat or seat post--paint and decals in pretty good condition--tires (Dunlap) turned to tar. Wheels turn easy--click click from hub. Chain and wheel crank are very stiff.
I'm not into too perfect a restoration but what are some fairly good tires--I bought some from Walmart for my Indian 3 speed--2 years ago and they're already dry rot.
Ignorant about saddles--see some with just the frame and cover--others that are sprung. What are reasons for difference? My Indian originally had a Wright sprung saddle--replaced with a soft cushion vinal cover sprung saddle. I am now becoming aware of Brooks saddles and they look great-- see them with and without springs. Looking for any ideas.

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Echoing what Kurt said about the Col de la Vie tires from Panaracer. Unfortunately they are outright difficult to find; they may even be out of production [someone tell me I'm wrong please!] Kenda produces two tires in the 26 x 1 3/8"/E.A.3/650A/ISO 590 size, the K40 and slightly nicer K803. The Schwalbe Delta is the other easily available tire, but is usually only readily available in a black tire. You can usually buy a pair of Kenda tires for the price of a single Schwalbe (or Panaracer).

You'll need a seat post before you need a saddle. Someone here might be able to tell you what diameter post you should use, but I'm of the mindset where a direct measurement will answer the question without doubt.

Saddles are about personal preference. I think springs are more important with upright cruising because the rider is using the saddle and pedals to balance much more than the handlebars. You only have 3 contact points with the bike, and mountain and road postures both allow you to unload the saddle by using the pedals and handlebars for rough patches without changing your posture too much. I like Brooks because they tend to balance the ability to conform to the rider with a firm surface. Soft padded saddles can redistribute pressures away from the points best suited to bear them to soft tissue around them and trap heat and perspiration, leading to all sorts of issues. Hard saddles that don't fit your anatomy will just be plain uncomfortable. If you're only riding for short trips though, you can probably make anything work.
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I prefer the Michelin World Tours for these bikes. They are good quality tires that ride very nicely and look right at home on an English three speed. Last I got them was from Bike24.
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I've been on the search for aluminum rims. those seem to be gone too.



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Schwalbe tires if you don't mind modern tread; Michelin World Tours if you can get you hands on them. Both are good quality tires that won't prematurely dry-rot.

Pararacer Col De La Vie if you want the highest-end tire possible (though I feel they're a bit wasted on steel rims, TBH).

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I've been on the search for aluminum rims. those seem to be gone too.
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Panaracer, Michelin, Schwalbe - all better than the basic Kendas. The ride quality on all of those is decent, and each is a little different. The Panaracer gives the plushest ride and the Michelin is sportier feeling, with the Schwalbe in between. The Michelin and Schwalbe come in a couple different colors if you need variety. The Schwalbe has a modern-ish tread. The closest in size of that group to original Dunlops is the Michelin. The Schwalbe and Panaracer are a little larger tires than original Dunlops, but they're also a little plusher riding.

The Kendas aren't bad, but they're not quite up to the others in the list. But if you need a tire and you just want to ride, they will do. Kendas are also sold at some locations under the "Sunlite" brand.

I would avoid Duros and Cheng Shin tires in 590mm for now. I've tried them and they seem more prone to flats, discoloration, drying out, and sidewall cracking.

Save your original Dunlop inner tubes if you can do it. They are better made than the basic, cheap tubes being produced today.

At least there are a few choices for 590mm tires. The Schwinn 3-speed size (597mm) is down to Kendas. They're not bad, a little competition would be nice.

The antique American "lightweight" size of 599mm is even worse - no new tires produced in that size (and there's haven't been in many years). On some 599mm rims, the 597mm Kendas used for the Schwinns will work satisfactorily (but may not work on 599mm rims with taller sidewalls).
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