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1970s Cicli Ghisallo Italian road bike

Old 01-09-22, 09:46 AM
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1970s Cicli Ghisallo Italian road bike

Trying to learn more about the earlier Italian road bikes and found this one.
All the details I can provide are below.






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joesch -

the forum has had several threads on these -

​​​​​​https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...and-bikes.html

​​​​​​https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ona-italy.html

​​​​​​https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...lo-reborn.html

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note the common thread of South Carolina; likely a marque done for an importer/retailer there

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joesch -

the forum has had several threads on these -

​​​​​​https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...and-bikes.html

​​​​​​https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ona-italy.html

​​​​​​https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...lo-reborn.html

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note the common thread of South Carolina; likely a marque done for an importer/retailer there

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Thanks for those links as they were very informative and did include some sale and buy prices thus help with this post and appraisal. Should have searched before posting this thread.
Best regards !
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interesting to note that your example exhibits a different crown than that of the others which have been discussed

so are you inquiring regarding value for purchase?


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interesting to note that your example exhibits a different crown than that of the others which have been discussed

so are you inquiring regarding value for purchase?


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Yes and not sure if its still available but I do have a better idea now of the regard and value based on the links.
The bike would be too small for me in any event but I may like to harvest those nice old bits for another classic that I may find this year. Would like to have a higher end bike from early 70s or more vintage.
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me guess, and its only a wylde guess, is that they represent a single order contract build executed ~1971-72

no guesses as to manufacturer

perhaps the new thread you have created will stimulate some additional discussion...

btw - that "different" crown appears it may be Agrati item N. 005.8048. this pattern employed in conjunction with lug pattern "AM".

image not high enough rez for positive i.d.

size -

text in the advert you posted states 54cm yet in current ad found it gives a size of 52cm which would think to be the more accurate

price -

posted price within reason and not excessive

would expect a pillar size of 26.2mm or 26.4mm for quality plain gauge tube set

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Front derailleur is YAHOO way too high on the seat tube
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Originally Posted by juvela
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me guess, and its only a wylde guess, is that they represent a single order contract build executed ~1971-72

no guesses as to manufacturer

perhaps the new thread you have created will stimulate some additional discussion...

btw - that "different" crown appears it may be Agrati item N. 005.8048. this pattern employed in conjunction with lug pattern "AM".

image not high enough rez for positive i.d.

size -

text in the advert you posted states 54cm yet in current ad found it gives a size of 52cm which would think to be the more accurate

price -

posted price within reason and not excessive

would expect a pillar size of 26.2mm or 26.4mm for quality plain gauge tube set

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I'm with juvela on this one - Ghisallo and A. Camera bikes both popped up in the Southeast c.1972-73, which was peak Bike Boom. It's the main time frame for the Liberias that came into the U.S. as well - the demand was so great that distributors were tracking down every local and regional builder they could find for product. When the bottom dropped out of the bike boom, these bikes stopped coming in.
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I'd place a wager on that weight.
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for sale listing yet up so perhaps priced over market...

​​​​​​https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/bik...429111967.html


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Originally Posted by juvela
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for sale listing yet up so perhaps priced over market...

​​​​​​https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/bik...429111967.html


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Originally Posted by joesch
Yes and not sure if its still available but I do have a better idea now of the regard and value based on the links.
The bike would be too small for me in any event but I may like to harvest those nice old bits for another classic that I may find this year. Would like to have a higher end bike from early 70s or more vintage.
If your looking to buy for parts I would pass on this one most of the parts are pretty much bottom end for early 70's Italian stuff while campy the Gran Turismo stuff 2nd from the bottom of all the campy stuff with only the Valentino stuff being lower. Nearly any decent 70's or 80's components would be better than the ones on this bike.

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Originally Posted by zukahn1
If your looking to buy for parts I would pass on this one most of the parts are pretty much bottom end for early 70's Italian stuff while campy the Gran Turismo stuff 2nd from the bottom of all the campy stuff with only the Valentino stuff being lower. Nearly any decent 70's or 80's components would be better than the ones on this bike.
Agree and understand that Campy Valentino was bottom of the line.
Looks nice on a vintage display bike and those in the know do not want to use for riding if given a choice
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Hi, Does anybody know how to identify the 35mm BB Ghisallo with the number M3B00349? I bought this frame yesterday and can't find any information about this bike brand name on the internet except this forum.
I saw several threads about Ghisallo bikes which suggest an Italian bike brand/manufacturer. The one that I have seems a Japanese model with a Sugino seat post lock screw, Tange 1 stamp on the seat tube saying Cro-mo seamless tubing double-butted tube, "Shimano EF" and "Tange TR" engraved on the rear and front dropout, respectively.
Sorry, I can't upload any images since a new member. Hope you could have any information about this Ghisallo frame model.
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a thirty-five millimeter bottom bracket would be metric thread which would not be found on a Nippon product

the BSC/ISO thread one would expect to find on such a product has a pitch diameter of thirty-four point eight five millimeter


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Originally Posted by juvela
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a thirty-five millimeter bottom bracket would be metric thread which would not be found on a Nippon product

the BSC/ISO thread one would expect to find on such a product has a pitch diameter of thirty-four point eight five millimeter


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juvela You are right. Saying 35mm is the inner diameter of BB shell that was measured by metered tape. But I remember that it is more likely 34.8mm than 36mm. Is it safe to say the BB is BSC type for now?

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Originally Posted by Phahoang
juvela You are right. Saying 35mm is the inner diameter of BB shell that was measured by metered tape. But I remember that it is more likely 34.8mm than 36mm. Is it safe to say the BB is BSC type for now?
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yes, indeed

you shall need to post images before you can get much substantive help from the forum

one helpful clue toward manufacturer identity is the placement and format of the serial number

there is a place on your member page where you can create a "member photo album" - over on the right side

no minimum number of postings is required to do this

readers can visit the album and enter the images into the thread

tip: it would have been better to commence a new thread rather than glue your inquiry onto an existing discussion


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Originally Posted by juvela
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yes, indeed

you shall need to post images before you can get much substantive help from the forum

one helpful clue toward manufacturer identity is the placement and format of the serial number

there is a place on your member page where you can create a "member photo album" - over on the right side

no minimum number of postings is required to do this

readers can visit the album and enter the images into the thread

tip: it would have been better to commence a new thread rather than glue your inquiry onto an existing discussion


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Thanks for your kind advice. I just posted a new thread and upload the images to my album. Hope other members can see those images easily.
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