DCwom

I was in need of reversing a route this weekend but couldn't find a way. Numerous google searches talk about reversing a route in an Edge 800, 1000, etc. However my Gamin Edge Explore has "courses" not routes. Does anyone know if its possible on the Explore?

unterhausen

My edge 800 has courses. Don't see how to reverse a course on an 800 though. I usually do it ahead of time on ride with gps.

Steve B.

In theory yes.

And according to the manual (page 3) - Home - Where To ? - Back to Start.

I've never used it.

njkayaker

That's different.

"Back to Start" retraces your recorded ride (it doesn't use a course at all).

There isn't an option to reverse a course on the 1030.

njkayaker

Garmin uses the term "course". People commonly use the term "route". These are files loaded onto the device. Ridewithgps calls them "routes".

There isn't an option to reverse a course (at least, not on the 1030).

You can have the unit reverse your recorded ride ("Back to start").

The recorded ride (what shows up as a light blue line) is what Garmin calls an "activity".

CliffordK

For Strava, no audio, I use routes some, but don't really care which direction they lead.

I suppose audio route cues would be different. But for visual, one can follow the line easily enough either direction (and hopefully deal with one-way streets).

Steve B.

Well, assuming the OP was following a route, or in Garmin speak a Course. Back to start will follow the Course, which should also be the recorded ride.

But it’s all semantics.

njkayaker

He used "route" twice in his post.

The "Back to Start" doesn't need a course. It has nothing to do with courses.

The recorded ride won't necessarily follow the course at all. The recorded ride will never follow the course exactly.

It's not "semantics".

It's being clear about how things work.

If people know that "back to start" is based on the recorded ride, they won't look for it as feature of a course (which is what the OP was doing).

Steve B.

We don’t know exactly what the OP is referring to as a Route. I assumed it was the route he had followed as a recorded ride only and not a Course, as he seems to have been unclear as to how Garmin uses the term. If he had been clear and was following a Course then he was obviously aware of the term as he would have had to get that Course onto the Explore in order to follow it.

Semantics refers to the meaning of a word. Possibly the OP is unclear that some apps such as RideWithGPS refers to a pre-defined and planned ride as a “Route”, where as Garmin calls this a “Course”, same meaning, different word.

If the OP was following a “Route” as generated by RWGPS or a Course as generated by Garmin Connect, it’s likely the recorded ride would be following the Route/Course, probably closely enough to be able to use the back to start function. Unless he deviated from the Course, thus the Return To Start would follow the deviated recorded track (or Route as he calls it) at least that’s how I believe that Garmin feature works. Never used it, might be wrong.

But as always it’s a typical argument with you that gets absurd especially as the OP has not chimed with any clarification, likely as his question was answered. I’ll await any follow up from DC if he chooses to clarify.

njkayaker

Yes, we don't know exactly what the OP is referring to.

That's why I pointed out how the terms were used and that the feature was related to a recorded ride (an activity) and not a course/route.

I can't tell whether you are saying the meanings matter or they don't.

Meanings (how the words are generally used) matter. Otherwise, people are going to be confused about what they are reading. That's why I talked about their meanings.

The "back to start" feature follows the recorded ride (activity) whether or not you are using a course and whether or not you follow the course.

Deviations (small or large) are fairly common. If people think the return route follows the course, then they will be confused when the return route doesn't follow the course.

The "back to start" feature can be useful when you are not using a course.

And, oddly, you are arguing about it.

I have used it.

You are talking about a feature you haven't used and know little about. That's what is absurd.

njkayaker

On the 1030, when you are recording a ride, a "Back to Start" item is added at the top of the "Navigation" menu.

That gives two options:

1- back along the recorded path.
2- most direct route.

Note that this works without using a course.

tunavic

@njkayaker I have the newer Garmin Explore. When I upload a ride the elevation gain is always way off. It's always under reported by quite a bit.

Is this a known issue that others have reported?

Other than that, I'm pretty happy with the unit, especially the large display and nav functions.

njkayaker

Yes, it's a known issue.

The Explore doesn't have a barometer. So, it has to rely on GPS for elevation. A barometer is considered the best option for measuring elevation/gain. GPS is known poor choice.

Garmin Connect will "correct" the elevation for units that don't have a barometer.

Nice. I considered getting one to see how well it worked.

tunavic

Garmin Connect does do the correction automatically but Strava does not. I have to request a correction every time I upload a ride.

If Strava can be set up to automatically correct every ride uploaded, I haven't found it.

DCwom

I am the OP.
Not wishing to add any fuel, just clarify to keep to the point of the thread. I was following what the Garmin Explore calls a "course", which was created on RWGPS as a "route" and downloaded to the Garmin. Note that the Explore seems to call recorded "tracks" as "rides".

DCwom

njkayaker

You were clear enough.

The units don't provide an option to reverse a course.

RWGPS has that option for paid subscriptions.

Steve B.

OK I'll bite.

The Edge Explore manual states you have 2 options when you choose "Back To Start". One of the options is "Along Same Route".

I assume that would mean the device will follow the ride/track in reverse. If you have been following a Course/Route without deviating, then the device should be simply reversing the planned route.

Is that not what happens ?

njkayaker

Not really.

"Follow the ride/track in reverse" and "simply reversing the planned route" aren't the same thing. (I'm pretty sure you know that.) They are never the same (they could be fairly close).

These options (which I mentioned two days ago: the 1030 has the same options) only process the recorded track.

You don't need a course (it doesn't use the course information at all).

As far as the reversal feature is concerned, there is no course.

Also, you can't get these options from a course.

==============================

Note that the units provide an option to convert a recorded ride into a course (I suspect the unit just copies the file!).

As it happens, the course file contains (more or less) the same kind of information as a recorded track. That is, a course and a track are, basically, the same thing (courses tend to have fewer points than tracks).

That is, there isn't really any reason the units can't provide the option to reverse a course. They just don't.

Steve B.

They would be the same if no deviation occurred, but a user should be aware that the device is not reversing the course, it's reversing the recorded ride.

And at the OP, a thanks for being patient with this somewhat obscure discussion, as this can be a useful bit of info. to new users of Garmin devices.

Montag311

I don't know of a way to do it on the fly from the device itself, but if you use the Garmin Connect website, you can do it there. You can import the route to Garmin Connect from RWGPS, or convert an activity that you've already done into a course. Open the course in Garmin Connect, and in the details section, click on the three dots next to where it says "Send to Device". Click Edit and there will be an option to Reverse Direction.

This works better on a computer. On a phone I don't think you can do it from the mobile site; you need to use the desktop site and it's kind of a clunky process so it's best if you can do it ahead of time.

Steve B.

If you have cell data you can access the Connect website from a browser on the phone. I just tried creating a new Course on the Connect site, made a ride that had me go out for 20 miles. Saved it and then went to edit. It allowed me to change the Course to an Out and Back.

DCwom

I have yet to find an option for "Back to start", perhaps the unit has to be in an active tracking mode during a ride for that option, (I'm at my desk now...). Overall I'm very happy with the unit, this is a major upgrade for me from an old eTrex, I wanted a map, with turn-by-turn and touch screen, but there's a whole lot more than just that on this unit. Really what I learned from this is when I plan an out & back in the future, I'll make two routes on RWGPS.

redcon1

This changed for me with a recent Strava update, maybe 10 days ago. My Edge Explore activities uploaded to Strava are now elevation corrected by default.

Steve B.

I don't have an Explore, so downloaded the manual. Now note that Garmin manuals can suck, but here's what it says: Page 3 at bottom left.

Navigating Back to Start
At any point during the ride you can return to the starting point
1) Go For a Ride
2) At any point during the ride select anywhere on the screen to select the timer overlay
3) Select [Home Symbol] - Where To - Back to Start
4) Select - Along Same Route or Most Direct Route
5) Select - Ride
The device navigates you to the starting point of your ride

Yes, the unit would be need to be in active tracking mode for this to work as it uses that track to generate return to start directions. Hard not to be in an active track though, typically the unit will automatically start a track when you start moving, even if you didn't press Start. My 1000 does this as did the 810. Curious if they changed this function on the Explore.

And as note, the active track (which can auto start) is different then following a course. You have to start a course navigation as well as start the track, these are seperate functions.

Hope this helps.

njkayaker

The user should be aware that the feature really has nothing to do with courses.

The "reverse a recorded ride" is intended to be a "get me home" feature (when deciding not to complete the ride as planned).