Are these decent track wheels?
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Are these decent track wheels?
My earlier WTB topic for a set of used, serviceable 700C track wheels bore no fruit, so I guess I need to buy a set somewhere. Local CL ads show nothing that looks remotely vintage. I see this on eBay " WHEELS ", they are high flange and silver rims that are not "deep" or deeply V'ed. OK, I'd rather have 36H but on track wheels, might be hard to find. Anyone familiar with how they look, particularly the quality of the hubs?
There are no velodromes around here, and the intended bike is not a high-value collectors' item (1974 Zeus frame) and will have a hodgepodge of components anyway. I plan to use it on the local paved rail-trail for "training" rides when the weather is nice, and on the rollers when it isn't. That's said, if the hubs feel like they have gravel in them instead of bearings, that would take a lot of the fun out of riding the bike.
There are no velodromes around here, and the intended bike is not a high-value collectors' item (1974 Zeus frame) and will have a hodgepodge of components anyway. I plan to use it on the local paved rail-trail for "training" rides when the weather is nice, and on the rollers when it isn't. That's said, if the hubs feel like they have gravel in them instead of bearings, that would take a lot of the fun out of riding the bike.
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I suspect that many of the bikes and components marketed as "track" never actually see a track, but those eBay wheels are probably fine. The rear hub appears to be the same as the Origin8 hub on my fixed-gear that has gone over 14,000 miles now without protest. I would want double-butted spokes, but it matters less with symmetrically-dished wheels like these.
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https://www.njs-export.com/collectio...-hubs-21120402
The EBay rims don't have threading for a lock ring .
This is the type of hub you want . See the double diameter . - Mark .
The EBay rims don't have threading for a lock ring .
This is the type of hub you want . See the double diameter . - Mark .
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Have you checked Velomine?
https://www.velomine.com/index.php?m...08sjf34f6t6154
I bought a wheelset with a rear fixed-free hub for my Milwaukee single speed. Very happy customer.
https://www.velomine.com/index.php?m...08sjf34f6t6154
I bought a wheelset with a rear fixed-free hub for my Milwaukee single speed. Very happy customer.
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For a few dollars more:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175090006085
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175090006085
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Thank for all the feedback! I am inclined to buy these.
Yeah, I had earlier message'd the seller about that; turns out these are flip-flop with one side for a freewheel, and the other side for fixed with a lock ring. The eBay photo only shows the freewheel side. By the way, is there more than one threading for lock rings? I hope to use the one I have. Anticipated gearing is 23T front, 6T rear.
Actually the seller of the set I linked IS Velomine. He got back to me right away.
Looks nice but black rims, tubulars and seller say 28T and I don't thinks that's the sprocket, he may mean 28 spokes and I'm wary enough of 32 hole as it is.
For a few dollars more:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175090006085
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175090006085
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@tiger1964 , yes there is only one size lock ring thread on a proper track hub . Also know that with track gears you will be using 1/8 chain . When talking about track gearing you describe it in inches , I never really got the hang of that . Google velodrome gearing chart . Pic of the Zeus ?
https://raceloop.com/track-cycling-gearing/
https://raceloop.com/track-cycling-gearing/
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There are different size threads for lock rings. Miche, Campy, Gipiemme and Phil Wood hubs use italian threaded lockrings, others should be the same.
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That might be a problem, the lock ring I have and the sprocket I have are on a broken Campy hub.
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https://www.njs-export.com/collectio...-hubs-21120402
The EBay rims don't have threading for a lock ring .
This is the type of hub you want . See the double diameter . - Mark .
The EBay rims don't have threading for a lock ring .
This is the type of hub you want . See the double diameter . - Mark .
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tiger1964 Sorry I confused things , track gearing in inches and (1/8 cogs) are two different things . At my track 88.0 (inches) worked best for me , a 42T chain ring and a rear cog of 13T is 87.3 inches . 1/8 refers to the thickness of the teeth on the cogs .
If you need to buy a rear cog for your track wheel it will be 1/8 X whatever number of teeth you want . When buying track chain it comes in 1/8 https://www.benscycle.com/izumi-eco-...JCpPD_BwE#tabs
Now , when setting up the cranks be careful to get 144 BCD . Track chain rings are 144 BCD X 1/8 .
If you need to buy a rear cog for your track wheel it will be 1/8 X whatever number of teeth you want . When buying track chain it comes in 1/8 https://www.benscycle.com/izumi-eco-...JCpPD_BwE#tabs
Now , when setting up the cranks be careful to get 144 BCD . Track chain rings are 144 BCD X 1/8 .
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tiger1964 Sorry I confused things , track gearing in inches and (1/8 cogs) are two different things . At my track 88.0 (inches) worked best for me , a 42T chain ring and a rear cog of 13T is 87.3 inches . 1/8 refers to the thickness of the teeth on the cogs .
If you need to buy a rear cog for your track wheel it will be 1/8 X whatever number of teeth you want . When buying track chain it comes in 1/8 https://www.benscycle.com/izumi-eco-...JCpPD_BwE#tabs
Now , when setting up the cranks be careful to get 144 BCD . Track chain rings are 144 BCD X 1/8 .
If you need to buy a rear cog for your track wheel it will be 1/8 X whatever number of teeth you want . When buying track chain it comes in 1/8 https://www.benscycle.com/izumi-eco-...JCpPD_BwE#tabs
Now , when setting up the cranks be careful to get 144 BCD . Track chain rings are 144 BCD X 1/8 .
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I don't get 6 or 7-tooth cogs, either as tiny cogs or as every other tooth missing from 12T and 14T. Is that a real thing? What do they look like?
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Well, if I get these wheels, perhaps I might need a new lock ring... but what about the cog itself? Looking online at a replacement ring, I saw in a description:
- Fits most standard track hubs (1.29" x 24 TPI LH)
- Doesn't fit Campagnolo style (1.32" x 24TPI LH) or French (33 x 1mm LH) hubs
@tiger1964 , yes there is only one size lock ring thread on a proper track hub .
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Looking online at a replacement ring, I saw in a description:
- Fits most standard track hubs (1.29" x 24 TPI LH)
- Doesn't fit Campagnolo style (1.32" x 24TPI LH) or French (33 x 1mm LH) hubs
are there multiple cog threads and, if so, what are they?
Hmm, looking at some old C&V BF topics, might be similar to freewheels in that "english" and "Italian" are close. Then again, no idea what my existing cogs are.
Hmm, looking at some old C&V BF topics, might be similar to freewheels in that "english" and "Italian" are close. Then again, no idea what my existing cogs are.
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I hope you are right. Seems I can get an ISO lock ring easily, and use my existing cogs and/or any new ones. That is a major plus, and sounds like I could get these wheels, or a different set, with confidence. Thanks!
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You can buy directly from Velomine for cheape...errr...lower. Same wheels as in the OP...
https://www.velomine.com/index.php?m...roducts_id=531
I had them for a while - I don't know if they are suitable for, or if a Formula rear hub is even usable with, a skip-tooth drive train on a really old tarck bike but they are fine for run-of-the-mill service. But mine didn't hold true real well. In fact - since they are machine built you prolly would need to touch them up even before using them on a more typical bike. But they were good for my purposes. In fact I currently use the similar but wider rim CR18/Formula wheels from Velomine on my fixed beach cruiser and they are fine for the slow meandering rides I do nowadays.
Good luck - ride safe...
https://www.velomine.com/index.php?m...roducts_id=531
I had them for a while - I don't know if they are suitable for, or if a Formula rear hub is even usable with, a skip-tooth drive train on a really old tarck bike but they are fine for run-of-the-mill service. But mine didn't hold true real well. In fact - since they are machine built you prolly would need to touch them up even before using them on a more typical bike. But they were good for my purposes. In fact I currently use the similar but wider rim CR18/Formula wheels from Velomine on my fixed beach cruiser and they are fine for the slow meandering rides I do nowadays.
Good luck - ride safe...
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You can buy directly from Velomine for cheape...errr...lower. Same wheels as in the OP... https://www.velomine.com/index.php?m...roducts_id=531
I had them for a while - I don't know if they are suitable for, or if a Formula rear hub is even usable with, a skip-tooth drive train on a really old tarck bike but they are fine for run-of-the-mill service. But mine didn't hold true real well. In fact - since they are machine built you prolly would need to touch them up even before using them on a more typical bike. But they were good for my purposes. In fact I currently use the similar but wider rim CR18/Formula wheels from Velomine on my fixed beach cruiser and they are fine for the slow meandering rides I do nowadays. Good luck - ride safe...
I had them for a while - I don't know if they are suitable for, or if a Formula rear hub is even usable with, a skip-tooth drive train on a really old tarck bike but they are fine for run-of-the-mill service. But mine didn't hold true real well. In fact - since they are machine built you prolly would need to touch them up even before using them on a more typical bike. But they were good for my purposes. In fact I currently use the similar but wider rim CR18/Formula wheels from Velomine on my fixed beach cruiser and they are fine for the slow meandering rides I do nowadays. Good luck - ride safe...
I got great input from BF on this topic, as always!
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Sorry, I missed that earlier. Here's a topic I started on it -- plus I started topics on four other frames -- but the only photo is the frame once back from the powder coater. Since then, I only added the decals and a headset. Now that I have wheels coming, I'll start assembling the bike and add more/better photos to that topic.
1974 Zeus Topic
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They showed up today, and they look good to my eye. Rear axle looks far wider that it needs to be but I presume that's so it can be spaced to different dropout spacing. Perhaps Velomine does not make the wheels up themselves, the box was marked "Wheelmaster" and, by the way, very well packaged.
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