Tansini potential
06-06-23, 09:50 PM
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Tansini potential
Hi Folks,
This bike was donated to our local co-op where I volunteer. I know it’s nothing special, but it intrigues me. The info available indicates that these were made by an Italian moped company & imported to the US briefly in the early 70s.
It’s a lugged frame with thick fork tips and dropout that include DS derailleur hanger. These appear to be stamped rather than forged. Overall, it’s in very good condition. Minimal chips/scratches and no significant rust. As pictured it weighs 26#. Not bad considering all of the steel parts. I haven’t weighed the bare frame. The co-op has a lot of recycled components which could be used for s quality build. We’ve developed a niche market building older, mid-level road bikes with riser bars and thumb shifters. Some even get index shifting. Does anyone know of any serious negatives about this brand?
Thanks & regards,
Van
This bike was donated to our local co-op where I volunteer. I know it’s nothing special, but it intrigues me. The info available indicates that these were made by an Italian moped company & imported to the US briefly in the early 70s.
It’s a lugged frame with thick fork tips and dropout that include DS derailleur hanger. These appear to be stamped rather than forged. Overall, it’s in very good condition. Minimal chips/scratches and no significant rust. As pictured it weighs 26#. Not bad considering all of the steel parts. I haven’t weighed the bare frame. The co-op has a lot of recycled components which could be used for s quality build. We’ve developed a niche market building older, mid-level road bikes with riser bars and thumb shifters. Some even get index shifting. Does anyone know of any serious negatives about this brand?
Thanks & regards,
Van
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06-06-23, 10:17 PM
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Those appear to be tubulars. Is that accurate? Tubulars seem to be a step above the rest of the parts, making me wonder if wheels are original?
The moniker is new to me, though I did come across this snippet about a Guiseppi Tansini in an archived "for sale" listing:
The moniker is new to me, though I did come across this snippet about a Guiseppi Tansini in an archived "for sale" listing:
Gitan was founded by Giuseppe Tansini (hence the name GI-TAN) in Caorso, a town in the province of Piacenza.The activity started in 1940 and was interrupted from 1943 to 1945: due to the war and the German raids.It resumes its activity in the post-war period, with the production of both touring and racing bicycles. The runner Attilio Pavesi of Caorso used racing bicycles produced in his country. Gitan is still active and sells sports and touring bicycles. The current owner is the son-in-law of the founder. [ 47 more words ]
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Found some other references to an Italian motorcycle company by name of Tansini that also produced "pedal bicycles."
06-06-23, 11:09 PM
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Do the forks look “off” or is that camera angle?
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Tansini was a motorcycle manufacturer whose products were current during the interwar period.
Have always assumed these cycles contract produced but have no hard information.
The importation represented by the bicycle was a single batch one done ~1973-74 by a California distributor.
There was only the one model which came in three liveries.
In addition to the white with royal blue panels there was silver with salmon panels& metallic taupe with white panels.
Frame done of plain gauge hi-tensile tubing, perhaps comparable to Zeta or Z50, with Campag Sport ends set Nr. 1010/1.
Kiitting -
OMG cottered steel chainset
Huret Svelto gear ensemble
Balilla centrepull brakes
3TTT Turiste stem & bar set
Sheffield pedals
Agrati headset
plain steel saddle pillar
Freccia D'Oro (or similar) plastic saddle
tubular wheels with NISI rims and Gnutti hubs
a shop in me town was a stockist - hence me familiarity
one has been hanging in me racks since about 1980 when found at the local midden
example here has same livery as subject machine and is size 61cm c-t-t
there was a discussion group on the company's vintage motorcycles - checked just now before posting link and site seems to be gone
this document suggests that the trademark rights to the name were permitted to expire in 1981 -
https://www.trademarkia.com/cicli-moto-tansini-81003210
earlier forum threads on examples -
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...road-bike.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ade-italy.html
Tansini was a motorcycle manufacturer whose products were current during the interwar period.
Have always assumed these cycles contract produced but have no hard information.
The importation represented by the bicycle was a single batch one done ~1973-74 by a California distributor.
There was only the one model which came in three liveries.
In addition to the white with royal blue panels there was silver with salmon panels& metallic taupe with white panels.
Frame done of plain gauge hi-tensile tubing, perhaps comparable to Zeta or Z50, with Campag Sport ends set Nr. 1010/1.
Kiitting -
OMG cottered steel chainset
Huret Svelto gear ensemble
Balilla centrepull brakes
3TTT Turiste stem & bar set
Sheffield pedals
Agrati headset
plain steel saddle pillar
Freccia D'Oro (or similar) plastic saddle
tubular wheels with NISI rims and Gnutti hubs
a shop in me town was a stockist - hence me familiarity
one has been hanging in me racks since about 1980 when found at the local midden
example here has same livery as subject machine and is size 61cm c-t-t
there was a discussion group on the company's vintage motorcycles - checked just now before posting link and site seems to be gone
this document suggests that the trademark rights to the name were permitted to expire in 1981 -
https://www.trademarkia.com/cicli-moto-tansini-81003210
earlier forum threads on examples -
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...road-bike.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ade-italy.html
06-07-23, 09:58 AM
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Was Huret on an Italian bike common? Trying to remember ever seeing that, but checking my memory banks and "File Not Found"...
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06-07-23, 11:00 AM
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had an exchange of thoughts on this with T-Mar in this thread cited above
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...road-bike.html
he wrote he had not seen it while i had encountered it on lower model italian machines of the later nineteen sixties and early nineteen seventies
caused me to wonder if it might have been a difference in marques exported to CA vs the US...
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slightly surprised to read marque a new one to @gaucho777
it was sold by Velo Sport Cyclery on Grove Street (now Martin Luther King Jr. Way) in Berkeley in 1974
even if he was not in town at that epoch would think he might have seen one or two locked up somewhere about the city...
of course given the long interval since original sale there has been more than enough time for any surviving examples to have received one or more resprays which would have effectively rendered them invisible
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06-07-23, 09:39 PM
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Hi Folks,
This bike was donated to our local co-op where I volunteer. I know it’s nothing special, but it intrigues me. The info available indicates that these were made by an Italian moped company & imported to the US briefly in the early 70s.
It’s a lugged frame with thick fork tips and dropout that include DS derailleur hanger. These appear to be stamped rather than forged. Overall, it’s in very good condition. Minimal chips/scratches and no significant rust. As pictured it weighs 26#. Not bad considering all of the steel parts. I haven’t weighed the bare frame. The co-op has a lot of recycled components which could be used for s quality build. We’ve developed a niche market building older, mid-level road bikes with riser bars and thumb shifters. Some even get index shifting. Does anyone know of any serious negatives about this brand?
Thanks & regards,
Van
This bike was donated to our local co-op where I volunteer. I know it’s nothing special, but it intrigues me. The info available indicates that these were made by an Italian moped company & imported to the US briefly in the early 70s.
It’s a lugged frame with thick fork tips and dropout that include DS derailleur hanger. These appear to be stamped rather than forged. Overall, it’s in very good condition. Minimal chips/scratches and no significant rust. As pictured it weighs 26#. Not bad considering all of the steel parts. I haven’t weighed the bare frame. The co-op has a lot of recycled components which could be used for s quality build. We’ve developed a niche market building older, mid-level road bikes with riser bars and thumb shifters. Some even get index shifting. Does anyone know of any serious negatives about this brand?
Thanks & regards,
Van
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Hello Van,
curious as to the frame pump carried by the machine
it appears to wear two transfers upon its barrel
wondering if it may be Delta brand
the Delta crest shows a dromedary standing before a pyramid
thank you for any information
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forgot to mention above that lug pattern appears to be Agrati "CORSA"
lower head lug item N. 021.8193
upper head lug item N. 021.8194
seat lug item N. 202.8529
here is a Daniel Rebour rendering done for Andre Bertin illustrating the machine's fork crown -
IIRC saddle pillar size is 26.2mm
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slightly surprised to read marque a new one to @gaucho777
it was sold by Velo Sport Cyclery on Grove Street (now Martin Luther King Jr. Way) in Berkeley in 1974
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slightly surprised to read marque a new one to @gaucho777
it was sold by Velo Sport Cyclery on Grove Street (now Martin Luther King Jr. Way) in Berkeley in 1974
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06-08-23, 10:19 AM
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And of course there's always the "whatever was available during the Bike Boom" factor. Anyway, I just do not recall seeing it back in the day; but there it is, in the photo.
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06-08-23, 06:52 PM
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Hello Van,
curious as to the frame pump carried by the machine
it appears to wear two transfers upon its barrel
wondering if it may be Delta brand
the Delta crest shows a dromedary standing before a pyramid
thank you for any information
---
forgot to mention above that lug pattern appears to be Agrati "CORSA"
lower head lug item N. 021.8193
upper head lug item N. 021.8194
seat lug item N. 202.8529
here is a Daniel Rebour rendering done for Andre Bertin illustrating the machine's fork crown -
IIRC saddle pillar size is 26.2mm
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Hello Van,
curious as to the frame pump carried by the machine
it appears to wear two transfers upon its barrel
wondering if it may be Delta brand
the Delta crest shows a dromedary standing before a pyramid
thank you for any information
---
forgot to mention above that lug pattern appears to be Agrati "CORSA"
lower head lug item N. 021.8193
upper head lug item N. 021.8194
seat lug item N. 202.8529
here is a Daniel Rebour rendering done for Andre Bertin illustrating the machine's fork crown -
IIRC saddle pillar size is 26.2mm
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The pump is labeled “SKS Pumps” on both the badge and on the recommended tire pressure label below it. Very badly weathered. The saddle pillar is indeed 26.2. BTW, I like your nomenclature. Strangely, I happen to have a 26.2 alloy pillar.
WOW, you either have a superb data base or one heck of a memory.😲
Cheers,
Van
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Hello Van,
thank you very much for your reply
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SKS brand products manufactured in Sundern Germany by the firm of Scheffer-Klute GmbH
both frame and floor pumps offered
Outillage VAR carried a Scheffer-Klute floor pump in their catalogues for many years
always struck me that it might be the only item listed which was not self-produced
manufacturer yet in operation today -
https://www.sks-germany.com/
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forgot to mention above -
the bicycle's Sheffield pedals are model Corsa Nr. 655
the destro feller appears to have been the experiencer of a spot o' trauma
these were done in both chrome and in zinc finish
the lateral distance between the inner and outer "spurs" on this model is fairly narrow so depending on foot size and shoe worn a rider may find a more comfortable fit with another model of pedal
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if you open the OMG chainset you may discover the spindle centre to exhibit an oval recess with raised letters reading OMG
these stand for the Officina Mecchanica Galvanotecnica of Brescia
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cycle shows three products from REG (Rampinelli) :
handlebar end caps Nr. 273
brake cable clips Nr. 751
pump holder cup (Ortelli) Nr. 376/S
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the cycle's Balilla centrepull brake calipers have an interesting feature
depending on how one orients the mounting bolt they can be either short reach or long reach
the head of the mounting bolt has a lobe which can be oriented either up or down in the oval hole of the caliper's backing plate
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hope you enjoy lots of good fun with the bike
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Hello Van,
thank you very much for your reply
---
SKS brand products manufactured in Sundern Germany by the firm of Scheffer-Klute GmbH
both frame and floor pumps offered
Outillage VAR carried a Scheffer-Klute floor pump in their catalogues for many years
always struck me that it might be the only item listed which was not self-produced
manufacturer yet in operation today -
https://www.sks-germany.com/
---
forgot to mention above -
the bicycle's Sheffield pedals are model Corsa Nr. 655
the destro feller appears to have been the experiencer of a spot o' trauma
these were done in both chrome and in zinc finish
the lateral distance between the inner and outer "spurs" on this model is fairly narrow so depending on foot size and shoe worn a rider may find a more comfortable fit with another model of pedal
---
if you open the OMG chainset you may discover the spindle centre to exhibit an oval recess with raised letters reading OMG
these stand for the Officina Mecchanica Galvanotecnica of Brescia
---
cycle shows three products from REG (Rampinelli) :
handlebar end caps Nr. 273
brake cable clips Nr. 751
pump holder cup (Ortelli) Nr. 376/S
---
the cycle's Balilla centrepull brake calipers have an interesting feature
depending on how one orients the mounting bolt they can be either short reach or long reach
the head of the mounting bolt has a lobe which can be oriented either up or down in the oval hole of the caliper's backing plate
---
hope you enjoy lots of good fun with the bike
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