Training Status??? (IV)
03-11-16, 04:34 PM
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There are many books on the subject (training for racing) - I suggest you pick one up.
I would think that even the "Time Crunched" books will admit that their training model has tradeoffs compared to the "classic" training models.
I dunno, I just do what my coach tells me to do!
I would think that even the "Time Crunched" books will admit that their training model has tradeoffs compared to the "classic" training models.
I dunno, I just do what my coach tells me to do!
03-11-16, 05:48 PM
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Got a few - Arnie Baker's, the Carmichael one and heart rate and power books. I do not recall anything but miles and sleep for those 4+ hour rides. Which - is why I was asking.
Most things seem to focus on power, getting stronger and faster, not so much lasting. I'm unlikely to buy another book.
Most things seem to focus on power, getting stronger and faster, not so much lasting. I'm unlikely to buy another book.
03-11-16, 06:41 PM
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I was really asking. I have not heard of anything other than just riding long to learn to ride long. And riding long at Z1,Z2. If intervals are a shortcut - or anything else I'm very interested in learning about that. This is new territory (I road very long - but not racing).
03-11-16, 07:04 PM
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And then there is cat 3, where the longest race we do all season is flat 90 miles requiring nothing but pre-loading/hydrating, and drinking 600 kcal on the ride. In my experience long training rides require a lot more nutrition - partly because they are longer/slower and partly because I don't necessarily load up and cut alcohol for every long training ride.
03-11-16, 08:27 PM
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I'd whoop those twerp's asses in a flying 200m 
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03-11-16, 10:46 PM
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Short spin on the trainer with a few 30s openers today, stage race this weekend.
03-12-16, 05:06 PM
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03-12-16, 05:35 PM
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03-12-16, 06:57 PM
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I really would have liked to meet you at VOS being a cycling groupie and all. Great win.
03-12-16, 09:03 PM
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Just a 30 minute crit. But actually I looked at some percentages from 1 hour crits and they are similar, so I guess it's not that interesting.
03-13-16, 06:08 AM
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03-13-16, 06:33 AM
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Up today, heading into two important race weekends.
3hrs (FTP=250).
Warm up 15min@160-180w.
1x3min@240-260w
Easy 5min
2 sets of 4x3min @270-290w sprint at 100% the last 10-15sec. Turn around and recover on way down, 5min recovery.
First set on a hill, second set on the flat
On the way home do some solid tempo@190-220w
3hrs (FTP=250).
Warm up 15min@160-180w.
1x3min@240-260w
Easy 5min
2 sets of 4x3min @270-290w sprint at 100% the last 10-15sec. Turn around and recover on way down, 5min recovery.
First set on a hill, second set on the flat
On the way home do some solid tempo@190-220w
03-13-16, 01:44 PM
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properly ruined myself this weekend before a rest week.
saturday: the usual 4.5 hour deathmarch with 6*5' hill repeats at the beginning and 8*30" bursts throughout the rest with the balance at z2
sunday: 4 hours z2 with a 3*20' set thrown into the middle.
hopefully starting racing next weekend! i'm feeling really really happy with the work i put in this winter, hoping it nets something during race season.
saturday: the usual 4.5 hour deathmarch with 6*5' hill repeats at the beginning and 8*30" bursts throughout the rest with the balance at z2
sunday: 4 hours z2 with a 3*20' set thrown into the middle.
hopefully starting racing next weekend! i'm feeling really really happy with the work i put in this winter, hoping it nets something during race season.
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03-13-16, 04:12 PM
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My point was simply that intervals, while not a perfect substitute, often offer adaptations that are useful for those longer rides/races without requiring the amount of time/volume of longer training rides. Point was that you can get the same/similar training effect by hitting the intervals hard and doing long rides when permissible.
