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Click bait news story: Bicyclist kicks dog in the head on the Luce Line, killing it

Old 10-21-20, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
As a side note, between these and the close passes, you should consider logging your videos with UpRide.cc - it'll make it easier to show negligence and/or intent in the event that someone does get hurt in the future.
Thanks! I didn't know about this site.
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Thanks! I didn't know about this site.
It's a spin-off of Cycliq, but not Cycliq exclusive. They could be doing a better job of promoting it, admittedly, but it's a sound idea if participation is there. I've logged a few instances, but the TC metro incident map is still pretty barren for the number of riders and the levels of driver entitlement sometimes displayed.
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Some percentage of people are jerks. Those with dogs often express their jerkiness via their dog.

Some people are barely holding the chaos of their lives together. Those with dogs have out of control dogs.

Some people who own dogs really don't understand dogs. They do seemingly stupid things because they believe their dogs will behave like small four legged furry but lovely people.

You really can't tell what you're going to encounter, when you interact with another human. Dogs are just along for the food and company.
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1. I am a dog owner and lover. A distressing amount of my time and treasure is spent keeping those furry goofballs happy and healthy. If my dog is off leash and there is any type of incident, it is my fault.

2. I was once playing with a baseball and bat to try to give my golden X some excercise, but he got too excited and I wasn't paying close enough attention and caught the dog on the head with a good goddamn hard hit with the bat. That was 7 years ago and the dog is turning ten this year. A kick by a passing cyclist killed their dog? We obviously don't have the whole story.
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yes, the story is not credible at all. They probably did get passed by a cyclist and then they found their dog that they hadn't been watching by the side of the trail. All else is just not credible. I'm reminded of the ride where a dog apparently was chasing me and got run over by a car. I say apparently because I only heard the dog barking and never saw it. And the collision with the car was behind me and distressing to hear. The owner thought we had killed him somehow and chased us down in his car. Did some grief relief and moved on. People's imagination runs wild in similar situations.

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Originally Posted by livedarklions
I have no idea what happened, but I'm pretty sure I couldn't kick the dog as described without either basically stopping or flopping over due to Newtonian physics. And such a hard kick administered directly to the head is only plausible at all if the dog is running directly at the cyclist.
... no foot to the head from a moving bicycle rider is going to kill a dog ... a dog's skull is VERY hard and even with steel toed combat boots it could not happen to a healthy 70 lb dog ....... this odd story assumes a dog following its master is killed by a passing cyclist and all this occurs in dead silence ...where's Nancy Grace
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So on the family farm, we had a boxer survive getting kicked in the head. By a horse. She needed some emergency care and had a permanent scar, but lived many more years. I call this story horse**** until any actual evidence is presented.
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Old 10-21-20, 06:20 PM
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I loved my dumb dog, but she had a peanut brain and a stupidly thick skull - yeah, a kick to the head doesn't make sense.
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If the owner is a 'canine heart specialist' and the dog was allegedly hit hard enough in the head to render it unconscious, did they take it to a vet between the time of the incident and 5 days later when the dog died? Because that's a pretty big 'yikes!' if they didn't.

Also, totally agree with what's being said here. They didn't see what happened because the dog was behind the owner. They have no idea what actually happened. I also think it would be wild for someone to kick a 60+ lb lab and ride on by like nothing happened.
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There is a good reason this story showed up as click bait. Surprised the cyclist wasn’t abducted by aliens after that.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
I loved my dumb dog, but she had a peanut brain and a stupidly thick skull - yeah, a kick to the head doesn't make sense.
There's more validity in these words "...a kick in the head doesn't make sense." than in the elderly couple's account of how their dog died.

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Old 10-22-20, 08:24 AM
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For me, we love our 3 rescue dogs - I'm as passionate about dogs as I am about bikes.

Our 10 month old cattle dog mix has been interesting, she has a strong instinct to chase fast things, and we live on busy rail-trail. As a good dog owner, when I see a person on bike (checking behind me often), I stop to get my puppy on a short leash and keep her calm while the person bikes past. We're making progress.

I've had very few bad interactions with dogs. Over the summer, I was riding a gravel road in farmlands, two dogs were in the ditch near a farmstead, they took interest in me. I held my line and talked to the dogs in a calm voice, they watched me pass without issue.

The worst close call I've had (and I do tons of miles on gravel every year), was a retractable leash in the suburbs & 1/2 mile from my house. The dog in front of the walker hid the amount of leash and the oncoming SUV limited my ability to move to my left. Not sure why I avoided contact with that dog ... dumb luck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D30_KycCCZo
OMG that is a HORRIBLE dog owner!! I own two German Shepherds and a GSD should NEVER be on a retractable leash, especially one that is reactive to anyone passing them like that. Stupid stupid dog owner!!!!
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There is a good reason this story showed up as click bait. Surprised the cyclist wasn’t abducted by aliens after that.

You'll never guess what happens next!
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Originally Posted by jack pot
... no foot to the head from a moving bicycle rider is going to kill a dog ... a dog's skull is VERY hard and even with steel toed combat boots it could not happen to a healthy 70 lb dog ....... this odd story assumes a dog following its master is killed by a passing cyclist and all this occurs in dead silence ...where's Nancy Grace
And since most of us wear cycling shoes or sneakers, I don't see the dog getting hit hard enough to cause that kind of harm. I suspect there's a lot missing from the story.
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Originally Posted by Hypno Toad
This story has been making the rounds on social media in the Twin Cities. I'm interested to see if the wider range of BF has any input/experience with dog/bike collisions.

I saw the headline and expected it was a bichon or other lap dog, but it was a yellow lab ?!?

For reference, I was riding this section of the Luce Line on Sunday, and I've biked this trail since the 80s, so I know it well. Rough estimate is that half the dogs are off leash in this area, leashes are required to walk a dog here, but most use it as an off leash park. I've never had a bad encounter with a dog here (or anywhere), but I'm always cautious with an off leash dog ... I have no idea what it'll do.

My post on a thread about this:
... maybe they saw their dog unresponsive and the person biking past at the same time and thought the two things were related.
I have to say, as somebody with a dog like a yellow lab (70 lbs flat-coated retriever) - I can't imagine a passing rider could kill a dog that size without going down. It is possible, but not likely.
This story does not add up. And without being able to ID the person on the bike, we will be left with the incomplete reporting from the people that lost their dog.
Frankly, this story should have never gotten beyond NextDoor without more critical info.
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota...ine-killing-it

Since this story is nothing but a published Nextdoor post, I've pasted the content below to save you from feeding the clickbait publication: A dog died days after being kicked in the head by a bicyclist on the Luce Line State Trail in the western Twin Cities suburbs earlier this month, according to a police incident report.

An Orono Police Department incident report says a 73-year-old Orono woman called police on Oct. 13 to report her dog's death.

She said she, her husband and their dog were running along the trail on Oct. 6. There was no one in sight of them until a "biker came from behind, at a quick pace," kicked their dog in the head, and kept riding down the trail, the report said.

The dog was running behind the owners on the trail when it was kicked, the report said, noting the biker kicked the dog so hard it ended up on the side of the trail in the brush and wasn't breathing.

The owners performed a heart massage on the dog and revived it, the report said. For the next five days, the dog rested at home. But on Oct. 11, the owner went to put the dog in its kennel when the dog's legs went out from under it and it stopped breathing.

They massaged its heart again, but it didn't work and the dog died, the report said.

The owners said the bicyclist is believed to be a man, he was wearing a helmet, black bike pants and a colorful bike shirt, but they aren't sure if they'd be able to recognize him if they saw him again because it "all happened so fast and they were trying to attend to their dog."

The incident report calls this a petty misdemeanor, but no suspect has been identified.

Meanwhile, posts on NextDoor indicate the owners have hung signs on the Luce Line about their dog, a yellow lab, near Brown Road in Orono. Many on the page are calling for etiquette from bikers, walkers, dog owners and others on the trail, which has been extra busy this year due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources maintains the 63-mile Luce Line State Trail that stretches from Winsted east to Plymouth, where it connects to the Luce Line Regional Trail, which connects to Minneapolis. The DNR has a webpage dedicated to trail etiquette and rules. Among them: pass on the left and give an audible signal; stay to the right when others approach; yield to pedestrians and slower trail users; and keep your pets on a leash and under your control at all times.

The DNR's website says the Luce Line has experienced "very high use" and it may not be possible to practice social distancing on it, noting it can be impossible to pass or approach someone without coming within six feet if there are too many people on the same stretch of trail at the same time.



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3p0dmeecwE
they think a cyclist killed their dog with a kick? They can’t be SIDIous......😬
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Years ago, I was working in a backyard unavoidably a foot or two from a wire fence. The neighbor dog was incorrigibly aggressive,

lunging thru the wire in full attack mode. Eventually, I resorted to repeated full-force kicks with steel toed boot to the head.

It took many blows before we came to an understanding, and the dog did not seem any worse off physically.
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Perhaps the dog was old and deaf, the cyclist startled it and it had a heart attack?
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
So on the family farm, we had a boxer survive getting kicked in the head. By a horse. She needed some emergency care and had a permanent scar, but lived many more years. I call this story horse**** until any actual evidence is presented.
Sorry to comment on an old thread.

When I was a teenager we had a BC mutt that thought herding our Arabian would be a good idea. The Arabian did not agree with that plan. Only took one kick for the dog to learn. Happy ending for all involved. Dog lived, horse never got harassed by dog again.
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I have had a fair amount of experience with dogs. In my firefighter days I often had to contend with dogs. We once had a single car wreck which featured two very drunk under age women, a pit bull, and a tiny dog. Sounds like the beginning of a very bad off color joke.

The tiny dog ran off and was found the next day by the home owner whose yard they crashed into. One of the guys on the crew grabbed the pit by the collar and guided it to an engine and secured it in the cab. No issues what so ever. I've had a lot of similar experiences. Most dogs are socialized to consider humans as their superior and if there is no threat they are not a threat.

The one dog interaction that sticks with me was back in my university days. I was doing construction work and often went to class in my work gear. One day a very blond sorority babe came out of her "House" with a very blond Cocker Spaniel. The dog charged across the street and attacked me. Since I had my work boots on I decided to play Spaniel Football.

The dog came back for two more doses and I yelled to the Babe (who was by now looking very angrily at me) that if she didn't call the dog and if it charged me again I was going to finish it off. She obliged and the dog ran back to momma.

At the time I was about 255 pounds and very trim. Three very hard kicks from a big, strong person standing on firm ground didn't phase the dog. I call Bovine Waste! This sounds like some people who are either looking for sympathy, or trying to get bicycles banned from "their" trail. And bad bad bad on the cops for not citing them for having a dog off a leash on that trail.
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One more thing. This is a timely thread for me. About a week ago I was riding my regular "winds out of the north at 15 MPH" loop. I ride that route maybe 3 times a week, There was a guy in his driveway with his Lab. Nothing out of the normal so far.

Well, the big Lab decided to charge me. Not barking, teeth showing. When it got close it started nipping at me. I was probably 100 feet past the driveway of the house when the dog started chasing me.

I happened to be wearing an older pair of SPD (2 bolt) shoes and the cleats are badly worn so I unclipped on the right and gave it good kick. The dog stopped for a moment then resumed the chase, this time on the left. I unclipped on the left and gave it another good kick. This time the dog yowled and stopped chasing. I turned around to face the dog and stopped so I would be in a better defensive position. The dog was headed flat out back to the owner. I suspect that the worn cleat may have pinched or cut the dog.

I have been riding past that house for about 10 years without an issue. I've seen that dog many times. I'm not sure if I need something to deal with another episode of dog chase. I'm not going to take up chewing tobacco. Some have recommended pepper spray. In ND it would be allowed. Not sure about MN, and this was in MN. Maybe a small sprayer with something foul, like Rabbit Repellant spray from the gardening stuff? Maybe some Tabasco Sauce? Maybe just a second water bottle that I can use to spray water at a chasing dog? Maybe carry my Silca Tattico in a way that makes it easy to access?

The question is not how to deal with dogs that chase without violence. I am talking about the case where they are actually trying to bite.
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Yeah those retractable leashes are deadly. You don't really know how constrained the dog is. You might think it's at the end of it's leash then - oh no!
When I took our dogs to puppy training, the first thing the trainer advised was to avoid using retractable leashes anywhere near roads. She knew of several owners whose dogs got run over and killed because they ran out into the road on one of those death leashes. So we have only ever used fixed length leashes. I think it was great advice.
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I haven't read all the comments on this thread but my very biased opinion is that we are not getting the whole story. The only way I can believe that a dog was killed by a kick to the head is if that dog was quite old or in some way already close to checking out. Dogs get old an feeble just like people do and so if that was the case, then maybe some sort of blow to the head could be fatal but who knows? I've seen several dogs (especially like the ones in the videos on this thread) that wander all over the path and are completely unaware of what is around them and they will stray in to the path of other trail users. I don't know these people and I don't want to be judgmental of them but we are only getting one side of the story.
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Yeah, my experience of labs is that they wouldn't even notice a kick to the head. Especially being kicked by someone riding a bike. It's hardly the best position to launch a deadly kick from!
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Nothing fishy at all with the bump and following post.
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