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Old 11-29-21, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Private employers commonly supply vehicles for security staff.
Often a corporation can get cheap, reliable vehicles for a bulk rate, and if the staff depends on vehicles, hoping the hired staff has reliable vehicles can be bad for business .... also, insurance can get pretty intricate depending on how things go wrong ....

Originally Posted by mstateglfr
I admittedly dont fully understand what the OP actually does for work.
Hopefully he will come back to clear up some stuff.
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Old 11-29-21, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
My private employer supplies the computer and monitors I am using to not work right now.
Private employers commonly supply vehicles for security staff. This thread seems in line with that, though I admittedly dont fully understand what the OP actually does for work.
Yeah. My employer has hi-rail and other vehicles which it furnishes to employees.
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Old 11-29-21, 02:26 PM
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What does who pays for it matter?

Most places use contractors for security, maintenance, landscaping, and a whole host of services.

The Tablet holder requirement screams upright geometry and flat bars. Something like moustache bars would also be great but not in the budget stipulated.
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Old 11-29-21, 02:29 PM
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I wonder if a pipe dream would necessitate having someone on "Fire Watch?"
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Old 11-29-21, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62
What does who pays for it matter?

Most places use contractors for security, maintenance, landscaping, and a whole host of services.

The Tablet holder requirement screams upright geometry and flat bars. Something like moustache bars would also be great but not in the budget stipulated.
A local city park uses private security to monitor the park and open/close gates(its a massive park). That contractor supplies employees with a vehicle.
Landscape companies provide vehicles for employees to get to jobs.
Maintenance contractors have vehicle fleets.

The point here is that it is quite common for an employer to provide transportation. It is confusing why the OP need to personally buy a bike to ride quickly around to observe fires. If riding around is part of the job, often times the employer will provide the equipment necessary to do the job- thats why it matters who pays.
But since the OP's job makes little to no sense so far, all this is pretty pointless back and forth.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
A local city park uses private security to monitor the park and open/close gates(its a massive park). That contractor supplies employees with a vehicle.
Landscape companies provide vehicles for employees to get to jobs.
Maintenance contractors have vehicle fleets.

The point here is that it is quite common for an employer to provide transportation. It is confusing why the OP need to personally buy a bike to ride quickly around to observe fires. If riding around is part of the job, often times the employer will provide the equipment necessary to do the job- thats why it matters who pays.
But since the OP's job makes little to no sense so far, all this is pretty pointless back and forth.
Who pays is neither relevant nor confusing. What is pointless is the bashing of someone who obviously knows little about bikes, so, he comes here to have his motives questioned.

The guy wants advice on a $1500 bike for a pretty specific function.
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Well, he got some good straight forward advice early on and that could have been the end of it. Things went downhill when he decided to argue and go on about wanting carbon wheels and disc brakes.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
Well, he got some good straight forward advice early on and that could have been the end of it. Things went downhill when he decided to argue and go on about wanting carbon wheels and disc brakes.
If you create a bf account only to ask for purchase advice, and haven't yet done any homework (and haven't participated in the forum, haven't helped anyone out before asking for their help, haven't been a member of a community), then you really can't complain. In fact, you should just go to a shop and pay someone for advice and assistance.
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Old 11-29-21, 04:31 PM
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Oi.

There needs to be a reverse limit .... just like new posters can only make a certain number of posts a day for the first couple, days, only a certain number of replies should be allowed. if this guy ever comes back, I bet he runs away again.

Second .... he got good advice and didn't like it. Further, he came off an un-serious. yeah, we can cut kids some slack, but I don't care if he is 16 or 18 and this is his first real job, or he is 26 and this is just his next job or whatever .... he is old enough to find the site, create and account, log in, and ask a detailed question and the reject his responses with detailed rejection. No need to treat him with kid gloves, or spiked mail gauntlets .... and I for one have not been my usual disrespectful self, nor have I seen others doing so.

Nor am I going to cut a slacker a bunch of slack. Kids need discipline, and they need to know what is expected of them, and be held to those expectations ..... If he wants to post on this forum and then debate the responses, he needs to do his homework first. he is asking us to use the hours we have spent learning stuff to help him, but he isn't willing to do a little research on his own?

Can you define "sense of entitlement"? It doesn't always mean rich kids expecting breaks. Sometimes it is as simple as a young person expecting everything to be done for him or her.

Lots of people have helped me in a lot of ways. I am grateful. I am also glad that I learned to do a little of my own work. Lots of lessons learned that way.

if this guy needs a bike, lights, accessories, a tablet mount, CF wheels, wants immediate delivery, and wants us to tell him where to find all that ..... okay. If he then wants to argue that we are wrong according to the research he Didn't do ....

I don't know .... I know things were a lot different before the Internet, when I had to go to the library and book stores and bike shops and actually Look Stuff Up and Learn Stuff ......

There is a big difference between not knowing much about a subject and not being willing to make any effort to learn. We shall see if this guy makes any sort of effort on his own behalf .... if he does we can have lots more interesting conversations. if not, he can buy one of those Amazon monstrosities which he thinks looks cool.
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Old 11-29-21, 04:32 PM
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By the way .... is he observing fires which are already burning?
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Old 11-29-21, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
By the way .... is he observing fires which are already burning?
And roasting marshmallows?
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Old 11-29-21, 08:24 PM
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I am putting everyone on fire watch duty.


It won't actually warm things up realistically but watching it will make you feel a bit warmer. Our shop was sans heat one winter and I put these on every computer and told people to watch them (and listen) in between the few customers that came in and we weren't warm but we all did feel a bit warmer.
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Old 11-29-21, 09:42 PM
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If it is a legitimate question, might be a big if, it sounds like the OP will function as a security guard and monitor cameras on a computer pad, and respond on the bike.

The employer may reimburse, or not, the $1500. Regardless the OP wants the bike to be fun to ride for personal use.

Unfortunately the best bike for work is probably not one for fun.

Folding is an odd requirement, unless there is an issue with local public transportation.

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Old 11-30-21, 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
Oi.

There needs to be a reverse limit .... just like new posters can only make a certain number of posts a day for the first couple, days, only a certain number of replies should be allowed. if this guy ever comes back, I bet he runs away again.

Second .... he got good advice and didn't like it. Further, he came off an un-serious. yeah, we can cut kids some slack, but I don't care if he is 16 or 18 and this is his first real job, or he is 26 and this is just his next job or whatever .... he is old enough to find the site, create and account, log in, and ask a detailed question and the reject his responses with detailed rejection. No need to treat him with kid gloves, or spiked mail gauntlets .... and I for one have not been my usual disrespectful self, nor have I seen others doing so.

Nor am I going to cut a slacker a bunch of slack. Kids need discipline, and they need to know what is expected of them, and be held to those expectations ..... If he wants to post on this forum and then debate the responses, he needs to do his homework first. he is asking us to use the hours we have spent learning stuff to help him, but he isn't willing to do a little research on his own?

Can you define "sense of entitlement"? It doesn't always mean rich kids expecting breaks. Sometimes it is as simple as a young person expecting everything to be done for him or her.

Lots of people have helped me in a lot of ways. I am grateful. I am also glad that I learned to do a little of my own work. Lots of lessons learned that way.

if this guy needs a bike, lights, accessories, a tablet mount, CF wheels, wants immediate delivery, and wants us to tell him where to find all that ..... okay. If he then wants to argue that we are wrong according to the research he Didn't do ....

I don't know .... I know things were a lot different before the Internet, when I had to go to the library and book stores and bike shops and actually Look Stuff Up and Learn Stuff ......

There is a big difference between not knowing much about a subject and not being willing to make any effort to learn. We shall see if this guy makes any sort of effort on his own behalf .... if he does we can have lots more interesting conversations. if not, he can buy one of those Amazon monstrosities which he thinks looks cool.

You realize this is your second overlong discussion of what this guy got wrong?
People accused him of being a troll and lying. That's not treating him politely or respectfully. If you missed that, you're writing a windy defensive post entirely missing the point that "attack the newbie" is too popular around here. He didn't like being called a lying troll. That is a legitimate complaint. No one is claiming that telling him he needs to sort his priorities was impolite, that's actually helpful advice. Why would you see fit to go on so long gratuitously over-explaining that with a bunch of trite "kids today" observations?

Edit thyself first.

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Old 11-30-21, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 700cMe
its not required but it would be cool if there was a suggestion out there that matched all this plus allowed for easy plane travel.. might be traveling to some metro areas by plane sooner than later and would like to ride my bike right out of the airport loading zone in those areas
That makes it hard, but it seems like a really odd business case; are you doing something so unique or important that people will fly you in to do monitoring?

A bike box is maybe $300, and with a couple of tools you should be able to re-assemble a bike in maybe 5-10 minutes but then you are stuck with a box you can't take on the bike.

A brompton would fold down small enough you might be able to carry it onto the plane with you, but won't hit many of your other criteria.

I'd dump the list of "wants" and focus on what you actually need. The speed of a bike is mostly a function of the tyres suitablility for the surface and the engine (rider). A good rider on a 10" wheel Brompton will still be faster than a bad rider on a 700C road bike.

You're going to struggle with an 11-12" tablet on the handlebars, in terms of getting it to fit, being able to use it, etc. I'd try and find a way to avoid that. Do you really need a screen that size on the move or could you use a 5" phone and keep the tablet in a bag?

If it needs to fit on a plane, get a Brompton. If it doesn't, then just go into a local bike shop and buy a decent fitting hybrid. Ignore all the other details.

Don't touch a Eurobike, as you'll be safer and quicker walking.
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Originally Posted by Herzlos
That makes it hard, but it seems like a really odd business case; are you doing something so unique or important that people will fly you in to do monitoring?
  • He wants a bike for security rounds that, for some mysterious reason, isn't being bought by whomever is paying him.
  • He also wants a bike for personal use (one that is fast* and can easily be taken on a plane).
  • He wants to find one bike that will work for both purposes.
  • That bike also needs somewhat unlikely features for a somewhat-low price (a $1500 bike with carbon wheels).
He wants a magic bike.

He doesn't really know much (anything) about bikes and hasn't put any apparent effort into learning anything but "needs (complicated) advice immediately". And is a bit cranky when told that what he wants is unrealistic **.



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* I'm assuming he wants fast for personal use.
** And also for being called a troll.

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Old 11-30-21, 07:04 AM
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Well, he needed the advice immediately so hopefully he's made a decision and is happily making his rounds. Maybe being jetted around to the next hot spot. We may never know....
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Originally Posted by 70sSanO
Folding is an odd requirement, unless there is an issue with local public transportation.
No, it isn't.

It comes from this:
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Originally Posted by 700cMe
its not required but it would be cool if there was a suggestion out there that matched all this plus allowed for easy plane travel.. might be traveling to some metro areas by plane sooner than later and would like to ride my bike right out of the airport loading zone in those areas
A folding bike would best fit the "easy plane travel" requirement because they pack small and are fast to assemble and (some of them) can be had for a reasonable price. There are compromises with them, though.

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I missed the airport part. That pretty much settles that this is just trolling.

No company is going to pay someone to ship their own bike to ride around commercial buildings to check on them. And no company would pay someone enough for this type of job to absorb those costs.

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Originally Posted by 70sSanO
I missed the airport part. That pretty much settles that this is just trolling.

No company is going to pay someone to ship their own bike to ride around commercial buildings to check on them. And no company would pay someone enough for this type of job to absorb those costs.

John
There is only one work site (the "soft" flying requirement is for personal use).

I'm suspecting he wants to get his work place to buy him a personal bike that he can also use at work.

I don't think it's trolling but I also think we don't know all of the story.

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Originally Posted by 70sSanO
I missed the airport part. That pretty much settles that this is just trolling.

No company is going to pay someone to ship their own bike to ride around commercial buildings to check on them. And no company would pay someone enough for this type of job to absorb those costs.

John

BS. He said explicitly he was looking for a bike that was for work and other reasons. And he never said anyone else was paying for his bike, another poster suggested that.

C'mon, this troll hunt stuff is really obnoxious. I'm pretty sure the mods told us repeatedly to knock it off in this and other threads.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
By the way .... is he observing fires which are already burning?

Most likely, dumpster fires.
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I thought about monitoring cameras .... but there is no safe way to monitor cameras while riding. So the tablet could go in a bag and be pulled out and re-stowed quickly.

I am not a huge fan of folders (pure prejudice--no facts) but I have to agree the folder seems the best solution given the travel requirements. He'd still need some way to carry all his luggage, though .....
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
I thought about monitoring cameras .... but there is no safe way to monitor cameras while riding. So the tablet could go in a bag and be pulled out and re-stowed quickly.
No reason they have to be monitored while riding. Might be more convenient to have it mounted rather than repeatedly pulling it out of a bag.

Originally Posted by Maelochs
I am not a huge fan of folders (pure prejudice--no facts) but I have to agree the folder seems the best solution given the travel requirements. He'd still need some way to carry all his luggage, though .....
He's looking for a magic "do all" bike. What he is asking for isn't reasonable. People really shouldn't be putting too much effort into satisfying the long list of requirements.

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This thread has drifted far away from the OP's intent. So we are closing it.

700cMe, if you would like to repost your inquiry in a new thread, please add a bit of detail to help clarify some of your requirements.

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