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06-17-22, 03:03 AM
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Few of the people I ride with are on top of the line bikes. More likely to be on older bikes but my county has fallen on hard times, we used to be the 3rd highest income in the country but just got pushed out of the top 10. People used to buy their cars and bikes back then. They say the average american doesn't have the cash to make a $5,000 repair on their car.
I see a lot of Shimano 105 on midlevel carbon bikes, very few DA or SRAM Red. Such a machine is far better in comfort, ease of use and speed than the steel campy bikes of 40+ years ago. Perhaps, the high end bikes are in urban areas.
I see a lot of Shimano 105 on midlevel carbon bikes, very few DA or SRAM Red. Such a machine is far better in comfort, ease of use and speed than the steel campy bikes of 40+ years ago. Perhaps, the high end bikes are in urban areas.
06-17-22, 06:19 AM
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i’ll answer that! 9k gets you a top of the line 15-16lb 12 speed DA carbon electronic shifting bike from canyon with most all the bells and whistles. or 8k gets you similar but ultegra 12 speed di2 from specialized. personal/brand preferences aside, these bikes are damn close to the very best you can get.
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06-17-22, 06:22 AM
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No, I don’t need to answer that, because it has nothing to do with my point that you were responding to.
Did you even read my post?
What you said is not a factual statement. You just said that a college student could afford a high end bike in 1986. This is not true. SOME could, others could not. I could barely afford the $500 guitar I bought, and that was my main passion at the time. The same is true today (some can, some can’t)
However, the argument you are now making (which is unrelated to my point) based on “what is the most expensive bike out there” is just as silly. The fact is the the $8K bike from today is far FAR better than what any pro was racing on in 1986.
Did you even read my post?
What you said is not a factual statement. You just said that a college student could afford a high end bike in 1986. This is not true. SOME could, others could not. I could barely afford the $500 guitar I bought, and that was my main passion at the time. The same is true today (some can, some can’t)
However, the argument you are now making (which is unrelated to my point) based on “what is the most expensive bike out there” is just as silly. The fact is the the $8K bike from today is far FAR better than what any pro was racing on in 1986.
And yet, I'm sure you will find something about this statement to disagree with.
06-17-22, 06:59 AM
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$9k with full-on pro build, DA group and top-end DT Swiss wheels.
https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road-bi...nfarbe=WH%2FMC
https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road-bi...nfarbe=WH%2FMC
06-17-22, 07:35 AM
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Just like "fastest sprinter" means something different when comparing a bunch of 22 year old college athletes and group of 80 year olds in an assisted living facility.
You already know this, of course.
06-17-22, 07:37 AM
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Your point is irrelevant, because "top tier" is an utterly meaningless descriptor when comparing bikes from 2022 and 1986.
Just like "fastest sprinter" means something different when comparing a bunch of 22 year old college athletes and group of 80 year olds in an assisted living facility.
You already know this, of course.
Just like "fastest sprinter" means something different when comparing a bunch of 22 year old college athletes and group of 80 year olds in an assisted living facility.
You already know this, of course.
And yet, I'm sure you will find something about this statement to disagree with.
06-17-22, 07:38 AM
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$9k with full-on pro build, DA group and top-end DT Swiss wheels.
https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road-bi...nfarbe=WH%2FMC
https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road-bi...nfarbe=WH%2FMC
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Can you imagine how much that Canyon would have cost had it existed in 1986? Technology does move the goalposts considerably. I've been working in engineering design/development since the early 90s and seen it all happen first hand. We were still mostly using manual drawing boards when I left Uni.
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Actually the reality is that you simply have more choice over a much wider range of performance today. A modern top-tier bike is a long way ahead of a 1980s top-tier bike. So there was a lower performance ceiling back then.
06-17-22, 07:57 AM
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In each era, the goal posts are the same. In 1969, the computer in the Apollo spacecraft was cutting edge. In 1986, bicycles with 6-speed freewheels with downtube shifters were cutting edge.
06-17-22, 07:58 AM
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Yup. That fact eludes some poeple.https://www.bikeradar.com/features/w...-so-expensive/
Same can be said for cars, motorcycles, ATVs, skis, snowshoes, and all sorts of products we buy today.
smd4 would probably be surprised if I told him how much a good flyrod costs these days...And I have four of them. Now add in price of fly reel, waders and all sorts of other fishing equipment etc.
https://farbank.com/collections/sage...y-fishing-rods
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06-17-22, 08:01 AM
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In 1986, 6-speed Dura-Ace with downtube shifters was the epitome of high-tech. To look back at what existed then with 2022 knowledge is ridiculous.
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Wrong. Look at the low end. much, MUCH cheaper than in 1986. In fact, for what the vast majority of people are actually buying they are cheaper (adjusted for inflation). The fact that a minuscule fraction spends more is a cherry-picked outlier.
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