Getting passed by Road Bikers while on a Hybrid
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Back when I was racing, I did a local training ride known for being fast as hell. The Simi Ride, they called it. It started with a straight shot down Los Angeles Avenue with a pack of 100+ riders going about 30mph on level ground. While I was getting the draft and still working my best to keep up, I noticed Tinker Juarez (world champion mountain biker) passing the entire pack on a downhill mountain bike. He had slick tires, but that's still a 30lb bike with an upright position! The point is, the bike only helps so much.
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07-08-22, 03:28 PM
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Will I pass a roadie on my fat bike? Eventually but I like to give them their exercise by hanging back about a hundred yards or so. I have a fast cadence.
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Or maybe its just a slow dance...
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...you'd remember if you were bullied, no perhaps about it. I, too, get passed by an assortment of riders on e-bikes, many of which now resemble motorcycles, out on the MUP. Their common characteristics seem to be that the majority seem to be a little plump, they're all going 25 mph, and lately every darn one of them has one of those irritating little "ding" bells, that I can hardly hear. This is their substitute for a vocal announcement that they are passing me on a blind curve.
My solution so far has been to momentarily slow down, so they can get as far ahead of me as possible in the brief time we share the road together. YMMV
My solution so far has been to momentarily slow down, so they can get as far ahead of me as possible in the brief time we share the road together. YMMV
I was climbing a dirt road and a guy on a Trek e-mtb came up and we chatted for a bit until he excused himself before taking off. I told him if I had my YZ490 I would roost him into the weeds.
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Back when I was racing, I did a local training ride known for being fast as hell. The Simi Ride, they called it. It started with a straight shot down Los Angeles Avenue with a pack of 100+ riders going about 30mph on level ground. While I was getting the draft and still working my best to keep up, I noticed Tinker Juarez (world champion mountain biker) passing the entire pack on a downhill mountain bike. He had slick tires, but that's still a 30lb bike with an upright position! The point is, the bike only helps so much.
There used to be a local Expert mtb racer who came to our Sunday rides on his cross country race bike. You may have seen him, or maybe it was during your hiatus. Anyway, he did the short Sunday ride with the racers and he could spin that mtb and hang with the group.
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That's a great window into exactly what I'm getting at. It's all relative, but I sometimes think we're all racing, whether we realize it, accept it or like it. I actually think that's kind of the fun- good for that dude for going all out (I probably would have kept my Hybrid comments to myself) good for you for retaking him, good for both of you to be on the trail and getting after it. I'm 8 years and 5 surgeries past my earlier prime (am 51 now) but I actually can barely quantify the joy of being back out there- now on limestone as well as flowy MTB- it's amazing beyond words.
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I suspect it was a cross country race bike, probably under 23 pounds. I've seen him floating up Angeles Crest but always on a road bike. He just did RAAM on an 8 person team with people you might know.
There used to be a local Expert mtb racer who came to our Sunday rides on his cross country race bike. You may have seen him, or maybe it was during your hiatus. Anyway, he did the short Sunday ride with the racers and he could spin that mtb and hang with the group.
There used to be a local Expert mtb racer who came to our Sunday rides on his cross country race bike. You may have seen him, or maybe it was during your hiatus. Anyway, he did the short Sunday ride with the racers and he could spin that mtb and hang with the group.
I do remember someone (probably Vic) telling me Tink did RAAM. He is an amazing athlete for sure.
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It was a Super V, so full suspension back when he was still racing XC on front suspension bikes (1995). I did google it though, and the Super V only weighed 26lb. Forgot this was before downhill bikes got huge disc brakes and 6" of suspension, and that model eventually got an XC version, but I think long past 1995.
I do remember someone (probably Vic) telling me Tink did RAAM. He is an amazing athlete for sure.
I do remember someone (probably Vic) telling me Tink did RAAM. He is an amazing athlete for sure.
For a time downhill bikes were close to 50 pounds but they have shed a bit. They don't have to climb, so nbd. And I think they are 8 inches of travel. I have an enduro type bike and it has 6+ inches of travel.
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Here is a picture Ken took last month during RAAM.
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Back when I was racing, I did a local training ride known for being fast as hell. The Simi Ride, they called it. It started with a straight shot down Los Angeles Avenue with a pack of 100+ riders going about 30mph on level ground. While I was getting the draft and still working my best to keep up, I noticed Tinker Juarez (world champion mountain biker) passing the entire pack on a downhill mountain bike. He had slick tires, but that's still a 30lb bike with an upright position! The point is, the bike only helps so much.
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07-09-22, 12:13 PM
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The engine...aka rider of the bike makes a huge difference for speed. My 34 lb Giant Sedona Comfot bike with its bolt upright position and cheap Kenda 2" semi knobby tires is quite probably the slowest bike in Giants fleet. I'm 65 and consider myself to be in average shape for a recrational cyclist. I would be very surprised if I traded bikes with a young athletic cyclist who was riding a decent road bike and he couldn't pass me on my own slow bike at will at any point in our ride.
Very much like cars and trucks, the engine makes a huge difference in performance. Consider the Chev Silverado RST Crew cab pick up. With a 5.5 sec 0- 60 thanks to the 6.2L V8 this big, bulky truck will leave most cars, including a bunch of so called performance cars eating dust in a drag race.
Very much like cars and trucks, the engine makes a huge difference in performance. Consider the Chev Silverado RST Crew cab pick up. With a 5.5 sec 0- 60 thanks to the 6.2L V8 this big, bulky truck will leave most cars, including a bunch of so called performance cars eating dust in a drag race.
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Obviously, the OP is not R600DuraAce. Otherwise, he/she'd know what to do.
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I get passed all the time by people on ebikes, e-scooters and uber eats.
Riding slowly helps avoid getting right or left-hooked sometimes.
Riding slowly helps avoid getting right or left-hooked sometimes.
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Hi,
I've noticed that I get passed by road bikers on my comfort bike and I'm pretty sure that when I used to ride a cheap Hybrid faster than I'm going now, they were passing me then as well.
Is this the lot in life for Hybrid riders, watching these hunched over, aerodynamic, well-kitted and quiet assassins overtake with seeming ease and then build separation on limestone trails, which are my favorite haunts for non-MTB related activities?
Can it be overcome by investing in items designed to make a Hybrid act like a road bike? Willpower to ride at the edge of Zone 5 and STAY THERE? A fitness margin over the average Road Biker? Going electric?
Are there Road and Gravel bikers who are slow, relatively unmotivated or even lazy? Or really old? I suppose there could be dozens of them not passing me and I wouldn't really know it. In any case, they aren't slow enough to be passed by me unless they have a relatively slow girlfriend, are a relatively slow boyfriend, are under 14, riding a fatbike, stretching by the trail, relieving themselves deep in the woods or riding with a large family.
I've noticed that I get passed by road bikers on my comfort bike and I'm pretty sure that when I used to ride a cheap Hybrid faster than I'm going now, they were passing me then as well.
Is this the lot in life for Hybrid riders, watching these hunched over, aerodynamic, well-kitted and quiet assassins overtake with seeming ease and then build separation on limestone trails, which are my favorite haunts for non-MTB related activities?
Can it be overcome by investing in items designed to make a Hybrid act like a road bike? Willpower to ride at the edge of Zone 5 and STAY THERE? A fitness margin over the average Road Biker? Going electric?
Are there Road and Gravel bikers who are slow, relatively unmotivated or even lazy? Or really old? I suppose there could be dozens of them not passing me and I wouldn't really know it. In any case, they aren't slow enough to be passed by me unless they have a relatively slow girlfriend, are a relatively slow boyfriend, are under 14, riding a fatbike, stretching by the trail, relieving themselves deep in the woods or riding with a large family.
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Obviously, it's time for an addition. I got rid of the 2013 (maybe 14) Sirrus Sport because it had ridiculous 700X28 tires and riding it was like getting punched constantly in the groin and hands by someone holding a bike. Thinking Sirrus X, Trek Dual Sport, maybe the Sirrus 3.0. Was considering a Trek Verve but I think that Specialized Crossroads covers the times when I want to be upright and don't mind twist shifting.
I'm a bit limited by some past overuse injuries and hip surgeries so I don't think a Road bike or Gravel bike profile is in the cards but I wouldn't mind reducing handlebar width and will certainly watch the mechanicals as you mentioned. I also think that gearing is important and big steps make it tough to really get into the right cadence, looking preferentially at bikes running narrower range cassettes, ideally something in the 11, 13, 15, 17, 19 range.
I'm a bit limited by some past overuse injuries and hip surgeries so I don't think a Road bike or Gravel bike profile is in the cards but I wouldn't mind reducing handlebar width and will certainly watch the mechanicals as you mentioned. I also think that gearing is important and big steps make it tough to really get into the right cadence, looking preferentially at bikes running narrower range cassettes, ideally something in the 11, 13, 15, 17, 19 range.
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Recently did a mountain century on my 45 lb commuter bike with load. Sporting typical commuter features like fenders, racks, lights, pannier bag and slow puncture-proof tires while also wearing loose casual clothing. I even hauled a bag of cheap fruits and vegetables on the return trip.
I got passed by young riders left right on their weight weenie carbon bikes, wearing tight clothing. However, I actually caught up to them on the last 20 miles and passed them eventually. I was surprised and they were surprised as well. They slowed down quite a bit near the end doing less than 20 mph in the flats. I don't do centuries very often, more like only once or twice a month or none if there's no break in high summer temperatures.
Some of the riders I caught up with experienced tire troubles with their skinny tubeless/latex tubed race tires. It rained strongly the night before and some sections of the mountain roads were littered by sharp pebbles. So perhaps, the slow puncture-proof tires may not be slow at all if it's keeping you from flatting!
I got passed by young riders left right on their weight weenie carbon bikes, wearing tight clothing. However, I actually caught up to them on the last 20 miles and passed them eventually. I was surprised and they were surprised as well. They slowed down quite a bit near the end doing less than 20 mph in the flats. I don't do centuries very often, more like only once or twice a month or none if there's no break in high summer temperatures.
Some of the riders I caught up with experienced tire troubles with their skinny tubeless/latex tubed race tires. It rained strongly the night before and some sections of the mountain roads were littered by sharp pebbles. So perhaps, the slow puncture-proof tires may not be slow at all if it's keeping you from flatting!