No more mechanical or rim brake 105 group
07-05-22, 12:23 PM
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No more mechanical or rim brake 105 group
105 next gen is 12 speed, di2, disk brake only
https://road.cc/content/tech-news/sh...roupset-293985
I hope campy at least keeps mechanical.... but same market forces probably apply, but this could be a niche for campy to expand to. I am bit wishing I had gone with campy vs ultegra 8000 (last mechanical group) for a build i am working on
But this may end up being an opportunity for smaller players, like Velo-Orange, Rene Herse, Rivendell, Paul Components, etc
https://road.cc/content/tech-news/sh...roupset-293985
I hope campy at least keeps mechanical.... but same market forces probably apply, but this could be a niche for campy to expand to. I am bit wishing I had gone with campy vs ultegra 8000 (last mechanical group) for a build i am working on
But this may end up being an opportunity for smaller players, like Velo-Orange, Rene Herse, Rivendell, Paul Components, etc
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Originally Posted by squirtdad
105 next gen is 12 speed, di2, disk brake only
https://road.cc/content/tech-news/sh...roupset-293985
I hope campy at least keeps mechanical.... but same market forces probably apply, but this could be a niche for campy to expand to. I am bit wishing I had gone with campy vs ultegra 8000 (last mechanical group) for a build i am working on
But this may end up being an opportunity for smaller players, like Velo-Orange, Rene Herse, Rivendell, Paul Components, etc
https://road.cc/content/tech-news/sh...roupset-293985
I hope campy at least keeps mechanical.... but same market forces probably apply, but this could be a niche for campy to expand to. I am bit wishing I had gone with campy vs ultegra 8000 (last mechanical group) for a build i am working on
But this may end up being an opportunity for smaller players, like Velo-Orange, Rene Herse, Rivendell, Paul Components, etc
with the programming possible, will really put the squeeze on Ultegra. Then the group below will need to add a cog?
Not everyone will be able to pop for the electronic or want it.
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I'm personally devastated by this. I was going to mount modern 105 on my '72 Torpado. I'm left reeling. Guess I'll stick with the NR down tube shifters and first gen DA brakeset.
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not sure how this is relevant in the c&v forum? 
there is a long thread about this in the road forum: https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycl...-goes-di2.html
there is a long thread about this in the road forum: https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycl...-goes-di2.html
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I read that all development on rim brake technology was halted at Shimano some time ago.
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Since people generally want the latest shiney thing, top tier, lightly used rim calipers might get cheap. New closeouts might be a great way to go if they can be found.
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
I'm personally devastated by this. I was going to mount modern 105 on my '72 Torpado. I'm left reeling. Guess I'll stick with the NR down tube shifters and first gen DA brakeset.
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Originally Posted by hazetguy
not sure how this is relevant in the c&v forum?
there is a long thread about this in the road forum: https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycl...-goes-di2.html
there is a long thread about this in the road forum: https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycl...-goes-di2.html
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When you think about it, rim brakes are disk brakes, just out at the edge of the wheel. Rim is rotor. Caliper is caliper.
Old school is not as cool, a lot cheaper & easier to work on, and old school works well enough.
Old school is not as cool, a lot cheaper & easier to work on, and old school works well enough.
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I'm waiting for someone to post asking what DT friction shifters to use with 12 speed 105, and can my RD-1055 handle an 11-34 cassette, and do I HAVE TO go to a 130mm rear?
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
I'm personally devastated by this. I was going to mount modern 105 on my '72 Torpado. I'm left reeling. Guess I'll stick with the NR down tube shifters and first gen DA brakeset.
11sp mechanical 105 and ultegra are still around.
07-05-22, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dweenk
When you think about it, rim brakes are disk brakes, just out at the edge of the wheel. Rim is rotor. Caliper is caliper.
Old school is not as cool, a lot cheaper & easier to work on, and old school works well enough.
Old school is not as cool, a lot cheaper & easier to work on, and old school works well enough.
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Originally Posted by hazetguy
not sure how this is relevant in the c&v forum?
This announcement will impact those who like updating older frames with modern high level drivetrains.
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Oh, man! Next thing you know SunTour will close up shop and Fuji and Miyata will stop frame production!
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Particularly on a C&V update, you do not need a unified component group. I have always freely mixed and matched either to get what I wanted or to take advantage of what was available.
I recently did a safety-related brake update/upgrade on my Bianchi, which still has its original Campag. NR downtube shift levers and derailleurs, but Shimano dual-pivot brake calipers that actually enable me to stop. Judging from brake lever travel, the leverage on the dual-pivots is probably 2 or 3:1, versus the 1:1 of the Campag. or OEM Modolo sidepulls.
I recently did a safety-related brake update/upgrade on my Bianchi, which still has its original Campag. NR downtube shift levers and derailleurs, but Shimano dual-pivot brake calipers that actually enable me to stop. Judging from brake lever travel, the leverage on the dual-pivots is probably 2 or 3:1, versus the 1:1 of the Campag. or OEM Modolo sidepulls.
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I would love to put a wireless groupset on a c&v bike. Why? Simple, I'll most likely never be able to afford a complete bike with wireless and disc.
I've always got an eye out for one of the rim brake 2x groupset versions for sale in my price range.
I've always got an eye out for one of the rim brake 2x groupset versions for sale in my price range.
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I just traded away my Di2 Ultegra Cannondale SuperSix. 15.5 lbs of silk, error-free shifting on Zipp 404’s. The trade was hardly even, but my friend has the bike he’s always deserved, and I have a bad-ace Kestrel and another set of NOS DA9000/Open Pro tubeless wheels.
I just was not totally enamored of Di2. I missed cable shifting, sort of. I felt less.
No doubt, there is electronic in my future, likely wireless, but on steel and not an $8,000 Madone with 105, Di2 or not.
The trickle down on what I want is slow. I can wait, and if I can still ride then, sure.
I just was not totally enamored of Di2. I missed cable shifting, sort of. I felt less.
No doubt, there is electronic in my future, likely wireless, but on steel and not an $8,000 Madone with 105, Di2 or not.
The trickle down on what I want is slow. I can wait, and if I can still ride then, sure.
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Originally Posted by dweenk
When you think about it, rim brakes are disk brakes, just out at the edge of the wheel. Rim is rotor. Caliper is caliper.
Old school is not as cool, a lot cheaper & easier to work on, and old school works well enough.
Old school is not as cool, a lot cheaper & easier to work on, and old school works well enough.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
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Originally Posted by dweenk
When you think about it, rim brakes are disk brakes...
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
Are they really necessary?
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Originally Posted by John E
Particularly on a C&V update, you do not need a unified component group. I have always freely mixed and matched either to get what I wanted or to take advantage of what was available.
I recently did a safety-related brake update/upgrade on my Bianchi, which still has its original Campag. NR downtube shift levers and derailleurs, but Shimano dual-pivot brake calipers that actually enable me to stop. Judging from brake lever travel, the leverage on the dual-pivots is probably 2 or 3:1, versus the 1:1 of the Campag. or OEM Modolo sidepulls.
I recently did a safety-related brake update/upgrade on my Bianchi, which still has its original Campag. NR downtube shift levers and derailleurs, but Shimano dual-pivot brake calipers that actually enable me to stop. Judging from brake lever travel, the leverage on the dual-pivots is probably 2 or 3:1, versus the 1:1 of the Campag. or OEM Modolo sidepulls.
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Originally Posted by RustyJames
Since roadies generally want the latest shiney thing,
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