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Old 07-06-22, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
*For you.*
Have you ever ridden a modern 32c road bike tire at 60 or 70 psi ? I have ridden many thousands of miles on high pressure 23 on 25c tires. For me the 32s are worlds better. I would think that ride quality would be improved for anyone on larger low pressure tires. Especially someone at 220 plus pounds.

You might think 23s at tube destroying pressure and a mattress of concrete are super comfortable....most of the world would disagree.

Ride what you want at whatever pressure you want but there is a reason that more and more bikes come equipped with wider and lower pressure tires. That's because the vast majority of cyclists find them to be faster and more comfortable. Its great that the pro's want crazy high pressures and skinny AF tires. It makes sense for them to do that. For almost everyone else it the opposite.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
Larry said "narrow" (not "pretty narrow")
Seriously? That's all you got?
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Originally Posted by Rdmonster69 View Post
Have you ever ridden a modern 32c road bike tire at 60 or 70 psi ? I have ridden many thousands of miles on high pressure 23 on 25c tires. For me the 32s are worlds better. I would think that ride quality would be improved for anyone on larger low pressure tires. Especially someone at 220 plus pounds.

You might think 23s at tube destroying pressure and a mattress of concrete are super comfortable....most of the world would disagree.

Ride what you want at whatever pressure you want but there is a reason that more and more bikes come equipped with wider and lower pressure tires. That's because the vast majority of cyclists find them to be faster and more comfortable. Its great that the pro's want crazy high pressures and skinny AF tires. It makes sense for them to do that. For almost everyone else it the opposite.
Part of me loves being able to mention the tire size and pressures I run at, because it gets so many of you guys's spandex panties in a knot. But thank you for your kind permission to run what I want, how I want. You're kindness runneth over.
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From the article smd posted - dated 2017:
"While air pressure usually varies by riders’ weight, most Tour competitors race on something between 6.5 and 8 bar (94-116psi)."

So, even five years ago, the TdF riders were generally pumping up their tires to pressures well below the rock-hard level. Since then, several teams have switched to tubeless, and are almost certainly running lower pressures than that.
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
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A lot of people on this site would consider 25c to be pretty narrow...
Seriously? That's all you got?
Bizarre.

How the heck did you miss the other stuff I wrote?

Read everything I wrote.

Larry's claim is dumb. Talking about TdF riders isn't relevant to his situation. Why are you trying to divine meaning in his meaningless comment?

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Old 07-06-22, 01:11 PM
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18mm tire

I'm now 58 years old.
In my younger days we "knew" narrow and high pressure was fast.
So I rode 18mm @ 120++psi. (Wolber ... if anyone remembers those)
Yes 18mm did exist, not a typo!

Come to find out, science and systematic testing has proven we were wrong.
Wider and lower pressure are the new fast.

Welcome to the 21st Century

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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
He didn't say that. You inferred it.
What are you talking about? I didn't "infer" anything. Larry was directly objecting to icemilkcoffee's claim that TdF riders were going bigger than 23s:

Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
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Yup. Even TdF riders stopped using 23mm tires. And keep in mind that these guys are like 150 or 160lbs.
​​​​​​This isn't true, you cant trust everything you see on TV. TdF riders run narrow tires at high pressure
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Old 07-06-22, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
Bizarre.

Read everything I wrote.

Larry's claim is dumb. Talking about TdF riders isn't relevant to his situation. Why are you trying to divine meaning in his meaningless comment?
I did read everything you wrote. I wasn't quoting Larry when I used the modifier, "pretty." He did day "narrow." When referring to TdF riders, so it IS relevant. And I submit that most folks on this site consider 25c to be "narrow."
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Because I want to be fast? Some of us dont trust the Big Gravel narrative that wide tires at lower pressure are just as fast as thin tires pumped up hard. Its really perverse frankly and its ruining your sport and nobody cares. its really sad tbh
Big Gravel?

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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
Part of me loves being able to mention the tire size and pressures I run at, because it gets so many of you guys's spandex panties in a knot. But thank you for your kind permission to run what I want, how I want. You're kindness runneth over.

Srsly ? No spandex panties here ... I wear loose shorts as often as not...and as I stated ... I ran pressures like that for years and it was indicated on the sidewall....until it became unnecessary.... and no permissions granted ....this is an internet forum... as far as my kindness to you. I have none ...you might be a total tool.

People jump in with suggestions that maybe lower pressures and wider tires have these benefits and it turns into a pissing match... and you steadfastly refuse to even concede the thought that lower pressure tires might possibly be better even for you oh king of comfort.

Hopefully your eardrums will survive the explosive blow outs from your PSI decisions.
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Old 07-06-22, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by HTupolev View Post
What are you talking about? I didn't "infer" anything. Larry was directly objecting to icemilkcoffee's claim that TdF riders were going bigger than 23s:
You absolutely inferred that when Larry said "narrow," he meant 23c. But feel free to continue moving the goal post.
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Originally Posted by Rdmonster69 View Post

Hopefully your eardrums will survive the explosive blow outs from your PSI decisions.
LOL!! Right! I'll be waiting a long time for that to happen.
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Old 07-06-22, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
I did read everything you wrote. I wasn't quoting Larry when I used the modifier, "pretty." He did day "narrow." When referring to TdF riders, so it IS relevant. And I submit that most folks on this site consider 25c to be "narrow."
Yes, you used the modifier "pretty". It looks like you were inferring he was talking about 25 mm tires.

Larry wasn't talking about TdF riders using 25mm tires.

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Yup. Even TdF riders stopped using 23mm tires. And keep in mind that these guys are like 150 or 160lbs.
This isn't true, you cant trust everything you see on TV. TdF riders run narrow tires at high pressure
Clearly, Larry is talking about tires narrower than 25 mm.

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You absolutely inferred that when Larry said "narrow," he meant 23c.
You aren't reading stuff carefully at all.

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"Back when 25mm tyres were becoming a thing, one French team asked its tyre sponsor to label all the new 25mm tyres as 23mm. The mechanics knew that the wider tyres were faster, but also knew that the riders wouldn’t like the change."

https://road.cc/content/tech-news/to...-choose-276949
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
You absolutely inferred that when Larry said "narrow," he meant 23c. But feel free to continue moving the goal post.
I'm not "moving goal posts", you just didn't read the prior conversation. I assumed that he meant 23mm or less because that's literally what he was writing in reference to.
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
I did read everything you wrote. I wasn't quoting Larry when I used the modifier, "pretty." He did day "narrow." When referring to TdF riders, so it IS relevant. And I submit that most folks on this site consider 25c to be "narrow."
Most folks are fine with 25mm. Most of my bikes are on 25mm. The problem is that Larry is pushing 300lb.s. That is the crux of the issue. What works for a 160lb TdF rider, is not going to work for a 300lb rider. At that weight he should be riding 32mm. It's not a conspiracy by Big Gravel. It's just fundamental physics. Large rider needs wide tires. You don't put 185/60/14 tires on a F150 truck, do you?
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
I did read everything you wrote. I wasn't quoting Larry when I used the modifier, "pretty." He did day "narrow." When referring to TdF riders, so it IS relevant. And I submit that most folks on this site consider 25c to be "narrow."
See post immediately above yours.
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Originally Posted by HTupolev View Post
I assumed that he meant 23mm or less...
So...in other words...you inferred.

Thanks for the clarification.
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
So...in other words...you inferred.
No, "inference" generally implies that nontrivial logical steps were taken to reach a conclusion. That's not the case here.
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
You absolutely inferred that when Larry said "narrow," he meant 23c. But feel free to continue moving the goal post.
Dude. Give it up. You were wrong. No shame in that, only in pushing a bad position when you've been proved wrong.
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
So...in other words...you inferred.

Thanks for the clarification.
He didn't really infer or assume. He concluded, based on the fact that Larry QUOTED the assertion that TdF riders gave up 23mm tires and claimed they had not. It's clear as day. Continuing to claim that he didn't do what he plainly did is nonsensical and embarrassing.
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
So...in other words...you inferred.

Thanks for the clarification.
You aren't making any sense.

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Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee View Post
Yup. Even TdF riders stopped using 23mm tires. And keep in mind that these guys are like 150 or 160lbs.
This isn't true, you cant trust everything you see on TV. TdF riders run narrow tires at high pressure
How the heck do you infer 25 mm from this text?
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
You aren't making any sense.


How the heck do you infer 25 mm from this text?
Talk about not making sense. I didn't infer anything from his text. After reading it, I did independent research and simply googled what size tire were they running in the TdeF, and the 25c quote came up. Why did you assume I inferred 25 mm from his text??
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Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee View Post
Most folks are fine with 25mm. Most of my bikes are on 25mm. The problem is that Larry is pushing 300lb.s. That is the crux of the issue. What works for a 160lb TdF rider, is not going to work for a 300lb rider. At that weight he should be riding 32mm. It's not a conspiracy by Big Gravel. It's just fundamental physics. Large rider needs wide tires. You don't put 185/60/14 tires on a F150 truck, do you?
I'm reminded of the mistake high school students always make when they learn that the force of friction is not changed by the area of contact, and they think narrow tires should have the same grip as wider tires, ignoring adhesion.
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Talk about not making sense. I didn't infer anything from his text. After reading it, I did independent research and simply googled what size tire were they running in the TdeF, and the 25c quote came up. Why did you assume I inferred 25 mm from his text??
Dude. Seriously.
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