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Old 07-06-22, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
You absolutely inferred that when Larry said "narrow," he meant 23c. But feel free to continue moving the goal post.
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Talk about not making sense. I didn't infer anything from his text. After reading it, I did independent research and simply googled what size tire were they running in the TdeF, and the 25c quote came up. Why did you assume I inferred 25 mm from his text??
Geez, talk about moving the goalposts!

I don't even get what it is you think you're arguing for. You seem to be arguing that 23 mm is not narrower than 25mm, I guess.

I do most of my riding on 25s at 95-100 psi. I want nothing to do with 23s. I don't think that's an unusual line on BF, even in General Cycling.
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A lot of you seem to be reading-comprehension-impaired, but for me, the takeaway that a lot of the TdeF guys are running tires as narrow as 25c and as high as 160 psi is enlightening, and seems to give lie to "the pros are going to way wider tires at much lower pressures" type-statements that are frequently found here. Apparently, wider/softer = better/faster doesn't always seem to be the case.
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Originally Posted by Rdmonster69 View Post
My bike with 32's is not a gravel bike, has drop bars and is strictly made for the road. Also has a pretty narrow saddle and isn't an "upright fuddy duddy" by a long shot..

Have fun on your 23s. I ran mine at 120-130 for years and the whole set up about rattled my teeth out. 32s at 70-80 psi are smooth as butter and fast. Far faster than my bikes with 23's and 25's.

The same scenario here. Love the 32's now
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Old 07-06-22, 01:58 PM
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This is a parody thread, right?
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I have no ax to grind in this fight. But I did go to the Geek Cyclist site posted above to see what this year's Tour riders were using. More than half the teams are still using tubulars. Most, Continental. Almost as many Vittoria. The popular Vittorias are the Corsa G+. Didn't see the width but I believe 25c.

I've just started using 28c Corsa Control G+ tubulars on my namesake Mooney. I'm going to get 25c's for my fix gear (which cannot fit 28s when the wheel is slid forward for the biggest cog and lowest gear). Great tires. Easy rolling and secure on just about any surface. The 28c is 300 grams. Yup, Ii weighed them. Not a "fictional" spec. 300 grams for tire, tube, valve. The whole works. I'm running them on heavy, go-forever rims but I could glue them to rims weighing 300 grams or less. (To be fully honest, there is the weight of the glue; a variable. Probably not far off the weight of a clincher/tubeless rim strip so I just ignore it and call it a toss.) One thing that comes across making this switch, clincher to tubular, is that tubulars one or even two sizes smaller work just as well (for cornering, comfort, secure grip, road reliability, etc.)

But the point is not that they are light and fast. The point is that there is no sacrifice in reliability to get those features. Those tires don't care what the pavement is and do just fine off it. The 28c is so comfortable going down to 25c would be very little sacrifice and might be 35 grams lighter. That could be really fun to ride! (I used to race on 250 gram silk tubulars. Probably 21c although in those days we never measured tire width. I would have ridden those tires all the time except they were expensive, not easy to get and silk so not liking wet or improper storage. With the right bank account and a miracle synthetic silk-like casing, wonderful everyday riders! Well, except that at those widths, rims take a beating on the New England potholes!

Best part about good tubulars (and why pro riders often insist, even paying for them out of their own pockets if the team is sponsored with clincher/tubeless), when well glued, you have a surface on those rims that is rideable safely at any speed, even after a flat or blowout. Peace on mind on screaming descents. Also, I don't know the physics of this but I feel it - all the air inside the tire is used to keep the rim off the pavement. None of it is "hiding" inside the rim between the sidewalls. Feels more secure on rough roads, cracks, cornering, etc. I felt I lost that when I switched to clinchers in the 90s. Going back to tubulars and having just ridden two long rides on them last week, it's "Oh yeah! Now I remember why I like these tires so much!"
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Old 07-06-22, 02:05 PM
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Now you're simply denying reality.
If you're going to deny something, it might as well be reality.
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
A lot of you seem to be reading-comprehension-impaired, but for me, the takeaway that a lot of the TdeF guys are running tires as narrow as 25c and as high as 160 psi is enlightening, and seems to give lie to "the pros are going to way wider tires at much lower pressures" type-statements that are frequently found here. Apparently, wider/softer = better/faster doesn't always seem to be the case.
Actually comparing the type of equipment a 150 pound professional cyclist uses and benefits from with what a 200+ pound weekend warrior who uses his bike to haul groceries will benefit from is kinda ....nonsense really.

Pro's generally need narrower tires because they are able to produce speeds that cause the wind resistance of a larger tire to be a factor...at speeds above a certain MPH wider tires cause more wind resistance that negates their other advantages. Most recreational cyclists can not produce these types of sustained speeds.

And their is some impairment here but I doubt it is of the reading comprehension variety.
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
A lot of you seem to be reading-comprehension-impaired, but for me, the takeaway that a lot of the TdeF guys are running tires as narrow as 25c and as high as 160 psi is enlightening, and seems to give lie to "the pros are going to way wider tires at much lower pressures" type-statements that are frequently found here. Apparently, wider/softer = better/faster doesn't always seem to be the case.

I think your perspective here is rather limited, many of us are old enough to remember 25s being referred to as "wide tires" in the racing context, and now you're actually seeing 26s on the Tour which would have been unthinkable just a little bit ago.

All of which is a red herring to this thread anyway because there's no getting around the fact that putting Larry and his groceries on over-inflated 23s and 25s is bananas.
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Old 07-06-22, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Why do you guys think wider tires for heavier riders are ideal?
pinch > < no pinch
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Originally Posted by Rdmonster69 View Post

And their is some impairment here but I doubt it is of the reading comprehension variety.
You're right. It's probably the spelling kind.
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Old 07-06-22, 02:13 PM
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As a representative of Big Gravel, I just want to emphasize one point -- whenever someone buys a 23mm or 25mm tire, a kitten dies. Do the right thing, buy wide tires.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
As a representative of Big Gravel, I just want to emphasize one point -- whenever someone buys a 23mm or 25mm tire, a kitten dies. Do the right thing, buy wide tires.
I've been waiting for big gravel to chime in. My wide tires have no knobbies and actually aren't even that wide. Who should I be mad at.
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Originally Posted by Rdmonster69 View Post
I've been waiting for big gravel to chime in. My wide tires have no knobbies and actually aren't even that wide. Who should I be mad at?
Your mother, because she never really loved you. But, Big Gravel loves you and wants to help you.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Do any of you have like having hearing protection the pumping a tire? Recently ive had multiple blowouts (I sometimes get frustrated/rushed when patching tubes and reinstalling)
Back when I ran tubes, I was pretty good at never pinching one between the tyre and rim. In fact, I only did it once…when trying to impress my wife with how fast I could swap out a punctured tube, but that was after an evening in the local pub with some friends….and anyhow, tubes are for suckers. Go tubeless, and skip the ear pro and the annoying mid-ride punctures.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
kinda wanna work at a bike shop 1 day a week just to get better at fixing bikes, would have to be saturday or sunday.
Or don’t be a troll, you and I can hang out, have a few beers and we can fix our bikes. Or just grab a lemonade and watch YouTube. Wrenching on bikes is easy if you’re able to basically tell the difference from a screwdriver and a hammer. Honestly, it’s easy.

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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
You say so. I wouldn't put 300 pounds on 25s if I had a choice.
I wouldn’t put 300 on 42s, to be honest.
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So someone at Big Gravel is stalking our internet connections and killing kittens? I just ordered 2 25c tubbies. I think ASPCA out to be investigating Big Gravel.
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Your mother, because she never really loved you. But, Big Gravel loves you and wants to help you.
It's like you knew her.....
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You say so. I wouldn't put 300 pounds on 25s if I had a choice.
Yep, and way back on page one. If weight appropriate tires aren't an option, maybe bring home 20# of groceries instead of 40#, exercise some restraint at the feed trough and the problem will diminish.
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Originally Posted by datlas View Post
This is a parody thread, right?
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
So...in other words...you inferred.

Thanks for the clarification.
I have really enjoyed this thread.

A poster says teams have moved away from 23mm tires. Larry quotes that comment and says it is not true.
Multiple pages later, you are still arguing that Larry didn't say what he said based on saying someone incorrectly assumed/concluded/inferred the quoted response.

It's really been fun to read. More please!
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Do any of you have like having hearing protection the pumping a tire?...
Hey... Don't forget the eye protection and flack vest...
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We all may need brain protection when reading OPs threads.
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Good job Larry. You got a proper bike yet?
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I've worn protection while pumping. No big deal.
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