Picture of Your Favorite Vintage Time Trial Bicycles and Why!
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Is it possible the ones with the script are team issued cranks?
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Is it possible that those scripts are just cut vinyl stickers on the normal (its not normal in any sense) chainring? As crank+ring is available on ebay for 300 as well in good shape 800 is a bargain for the stickers.... somehow the text is not really curvy.. but maybe its my eyes only. But we know that on Shimano Sugino Stronglight these big texts were default...and look awesome... while the awesome look is granted here as well I have a feeling that those stickers did not come from Vicenza.
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This was a good post Lattz and I am sorry to just being able to respond now. It is a frightening thought, but sometimes I get busy with other things than TT Land so I ask that if it takes a few days to respond to people's post to be patient with me. That will be especially true as I try to focus on my book. But I will always post something God willing and try to respond as best as I can so no one should take it personally. I do put a lot into this blog like thread as I call it.
So the guy from Look was a aerodynamics specialist who also worked in Formula 1 for various teams? Wow that is cool! If you can post the link that would be great. Somehow that does not surprise me as Ferrari worked with Colnago. I think a lot of people do not realize how high level these bikes were. And they were bloody expensive at the time plus they were down right innovative for what would come later. High level people worked on this stuff. These are cool high quality pictures Lattz and we in TT Land want you to know that the thousands who look at this thread appreciate you taking the trouble to find and post em. Looks like 1996 was a big year for this bike.
So the guy from Look was a aerodynamics specialist who also worked in Formula 1 for various teams? Wow that is cool! If you can post the link that would be great. Somehow that does not surprise me as Ferrari worked with Colnago. I think a lot of people do not realize how high level these bikes were. And they were bloody expensive at the time plus they were down right innovative for what would come later. High level people worked on this stuff. These are cool high quality pictures Lattz and we in TT Land want you to know that the thousands who look at this thread appreciate you taking the trouble to find and post em. Looks like 1996 was a big year for this bike.
A: bought the best ones available (see red teams on Lasers, Rossin CXs)
B. gave order to build the best one and all other industries are there to help even across countries within the block (see Takhion, but also others - I'll come to this in a separate post).
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While respecting your opinion (and I mean that sincerely) I have the feeling that the black writing is authentic. I could be wrong though. Lets just say the jury is still out for now. It would be interesting that two different people used the same stickers in the same way. Unless they are the same person which I kinda doubt. Did you see the cranks plus ring on ebay for three hundred right now?
Thanks for your posts as always.
Thanks for your posts as always.
here and here but I'm going to keep searching for the 3xx one as well (I hope, its not that I didn't overlook the Giant Stronglight text on that one, since that's 3xx the same what was on the chrome Battaglin earlier).
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I've seen them after the post, because my curiosity sensors blew up upon this one, but for sure, now i do not find them. There are definitely 2 pairs for ~500 (which is still super compared to 1200)
here and here but I'm going to keep searching for the 3xx one as well (I hope, its not that I didn't overlook the Giant Stronglight text on that one, since that's 3xx the same what was on the chrome Battaglin earlier).
here and here but I'm going to keep searching for the 3xx one as well (I hope, its not that I didn't overlook the Giant Stronglight text on that one, since that's 3xx the same what was on the chrome Battaglin earlier).
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OK, a bunch of trackies and pursuits that stand out from the crowds. Paint on the Rossin is simple but I really like the colour combination.
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Yes, like those Assos cranksets, however these six arm Colonago cranksets have to be my classic favourite. And on the crank sets, have you priced what big chain rings are selling for these days? I still do a bunch of track racing and the trend over the last few years is to go too bigger and bigger chain rings and cogs in the interest of reducing friction. Along with sprinters getting stronger and stronger, spending more time on strength development in the weight room for power and the ability to push bigger gears. Check the price alone for a 55+ tooth good quality 1/8 chain ring, you are looking at $175.00+ just for the ring and that price has gone up almost 75% on eBay in the last year or so. Most dedicated trackes will carry rings from a 48 through 54, it gets expensive.
What I am trying to say is I don't really think what these guys are asking for their recreations is so far out of line with the current market equipment.
Also the handle bar treatment on the Bazou bicycle are track grips made by Strong-V named Mix, similar to golf grips, not tape.
Pictures, Crankset and my current track bike, yea, old man, I am 66.
What I am trying to say is I don't really think what these guys are asking for their recreations is so far out of line with the current market equipment.
Also the handle bar treatment on the Bazou bicycle are track grips made by Strong-V named Mix, similar to golf grips, not tape.
Pictures, Crankset and my current track bike, yea, old man, I am 66.
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Yes, like those Assos cranksets, however these six arm Colonago cranksets have to be my classic favourite. And on the crank sets, have you priced what big chain rings are selling for these days? I still do a bunch of track racing and the trend over the last few years is to go too bigger and bigger chain rings and cogs in the interest of reducing friction. Along with sprinters getting stronger and stronger, spending more time on strength development in the weight room for power and the ability to push bigger gears. Check the price alone for a 55+ tooth good quality 1/8 chain ring, you are looking at $175.00+ just for the ring and that price has gone up almost 75% on eBay in the last year or so. Most dedicated trackes will carry rings from a 48 through 54, it gets expensive.
What I am trying to say is I don't really think what these guys are asking for their recreations is so far out of line with the current market equipment.
Also the handle bar treatment on the Bazou bicycle are track grips made by Strong-V named Mix, similar to golf grips, not tape.
Pictures, Crankset and my current track bike, yea, old man, I am 66.
What I am trying to say is I don't really think what these guys are asking for their recreations is so far out of line with the current market equipment.
Also the handle bar treatment on the Bazou bicycle are track grips made by Strong-V named Mix, similar to golf grips, not tape.
Pictures, Crankset and my current track bike, yea, old man, I am 66.
I leave this up out of respect for this gentleman.
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Another thread, with a discussion on truss forks, reminded me of a very interesting TOC TT bicycle. Attached are two photos of Harry 'Goss' Green on a bicycle with which he dominanted the British TT scene. During the time period of 1899-1909, he set 15 TT records, many of which were unbroken for decades. His reign as record holder for the London to Liverpool course (203 miles), stood for 29 years!
The bicycle is a Dursley-Pederen and is interesting for a several aspects. Most notably, the Pedersen design uses a truss style fork and frame consisting of small diameter tubes. While more complicated and expensive to manufacture, it provided a higher strength to weight ratio, resulting in a strong, rigid but light frame. The racing models had claimed weights of only 17 to 19 lbs. A hammock style saddle provided some cushioning, to compensate for the stiff frame on the rougher roads of the era. The saddle was supported by guy wires strung between the head tube and seat tubes. To keep the saddle level, the frame resorted to an extended head tube.
Goss also installed a Bricknell Auxilliary Hand Drive that powered the front wheel. The linkage was similar to that of a steam locomotive. The handlebar pivoted at the centre, allowing the grips to be pumped up and down. This action moved a driving rod attached to the handlebar, just inside of the right grip. The other end of the driving rod was attached eccentrically to a crown gear, so that the pumping of the handlebars turned the crown gear. The crown gear engaged a right angle pinion gear on the front hub, to drive the front wheel. I'm not sure but I'm assuming that the pinion gear was a freewheel, so that Goss could activate the hand drive only when required.
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The bicycle is a Dursley-Pederen and is interesting for a several aspects. Most notably, the Pedersen design uses a truss style fork and frame consisting of small diameter tubes. While more complicated and expensive to manufacture, it provided a higher strength to weight ratio, resulting in a strong, rigid but light frame. The racing models had claimed weights of only 17 to 19 lbs. A hammock style saddle provided some cushioning, to compensate for the stiff frame on the rougher roads of the era. The saddle was supported by guy wires strung between the head tube and seat tubes. To keep the saddle level, the frame resorted to an extended head tube.
Goss also installed a Bricknell Auxilliary Hand Drive that powered the front wheel. The linkage was similar to that of a steam locomotive. The handlebar pivoted at the centre, allowing the grips to be pumped up and down. This action moved a driving rod attached to the handlebar, just inside of the right grip. The other end of the driving rod was attached eccentrically to a crown gear, so that the pumping of the handlebars turned the crown gear. The crown gear engaged a right angle pinion gear on the front hub, to drive the front wheel. I'm not sure but I'm assuming that the pinion gear was a freewheel, so that Goss could activate the hand drive only when required.
BF isn't allowing me to post photos at this time. Will try again, later
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TOC British TT specialist Harry 'Goss' Green on his Dursley-Pedersen bicycle fitted with the Bricknell auxiliary hand drive, as discussed in my previous post.
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A fellow member over on the Paceline that still races his. A portion of his story is here https://forums.thepaceline.net/showt...dersen&page=10
"Thanks, my riding this bike started out as an experiment, to see how (with training efforts) I could do on it as if it was a modern bike.
I did hillclimbs, criteriums, MTB then settled on CX as my preferred discipline.
So the "platted cord" (made from a leather shoelace) serves as a grab-handle for sailing over the barriers. Photos below showing barrier hops before and after I added the handle. The machine got one of it's nicknames for my style of "flying" or airing the bike out keeping my hands on the grips (1st photo).
The sections of chain are a means of adjusting the length of the "tension strut" cables and thus changing the saddle height. There were parts missing when I bought it sourced from an abandoned storage unit.
Notice also the front brake pad tethers, intended to support braking loads directly, isolated from the pivots for better braking (done out of necessity after my first mtb race in wet conditions)."
"Thanks, my riding this bike started out as an experiment, to see how (with training efforts) I could do on it as if it was a modern bike.
I did hillclimbs, criteriums, MTB then settled on CX as my preferred discipline.
So the "platted cord" (made from a leather shoelace) serves as a grab-handle for sailing over the barriers. Photos below showing barrier hops before and after I added the handle. The machine got one of it's nicknames for my style of "flying" or airing the bike out keeping my hands on the grips (1st photo).
The sections of chain are a means of adjusting the length of the "tension strut" cables and thus changing the saddle height. There were parts missing when I bought it sourced from an abandoned storage unit.
Notice also the front brake pad tethers, intended to support braking loads directly, isolated from the pivots for better braking (done out of necessity after my first mtb race in wet conditions)."
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Viewed these today, not favourites, not much too beautiful about them, can't all be pretty faces, however they are different and someone was trying to go fast.
P.S. There was a set of the Strong-V Mix grips with a black base colour in the Cherubim video, did you catch them TTfan?
P.S. There was a set of the Strong-V Mix grips with a black base colour in the Cherubim video, did you catch them TTfan?
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You know you're a serious Weight Weenie when...
...you actually consider a plastic headset to be a workable compromise. Well nylon really, and it only had to last for an hour, so it was probably over engineered for this bikes purpose. In the words of the great Colin Chapman "to make a car lighter, keep taking things off until it breaks... then put the last thing you took off back" The builder of this bike definitely thought the same way.
The full gallery is here, lots of other super-light craziness to be seen on this one, and that Gios Blue...
https://www.speedbicycles.ch/velo/53...cord_1975.html
The full gallery is here, lots of other super-light craziness to be seen on this one, and that Gios Blue...
https://www.speedbicycles.ch/velo/53...cord_1975.html
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...you actually consider a plastic headset to be a workable compromise. Well nylon really, and it only had to last for an hour, so it was probably over engineered for this bikes purpose. In the words of the great Colin Chapman "to make a car lighter, keep taking things off until it breaks... then put the last thing you took off back" The builder of this bike definitely thought the same way.
The full gallery is here, lots of other super-light craziness to be seen on this one, and that Gios Blue...
https://www.speedbicycles.ch/velo/53...cord_1975.html
The full gallery is here, lots of other super-light craziness to be seen on this one, and that Gios Blue...
https://www.speedbicycles.ch/velo/53...cord_1975.html
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Thanks to VintageTTfan for a great thread. I check in every few days for my dose of eye candy.
This thread has got me itching to build a way-out TT bike, which is about the most useless thing i could add to my garage at this time, but it'd be sooo coool, lol.
Thought I'd contribute something I turned up on my own:
Purportedly an 80's Nishiki; It's a little rough, and not complete, but it is available for sale. (local CL)
I might be tempted to buy it, but the seller is really, really proud of some of the old bikes he's got on his lot.
This thread has got me itching to build a way-out TT bike, which is about the most useless thing i could add to my garage at this time, but it'd be sooo coool, lol.
Thought I'd contribute something I turned up on my own:
Purportedly an 80's Nishiki; It's a little rough, and not complete, but it is available for sale. (local CL)
I might be tempted to buy it, but the seller is really, really proud of some of the old bikes he's got on his lot.
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