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Old 03-24-21, 03:42 PM
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First 2 things that jump out at me...

1. Stem is way too short.

2. I have a hard time imagining that your tipped-up saddle angle is very comfortable.
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I feel like between 60-80mm would be good for me, but I wouldn't want to go longer than 60. I have a 60mm stem laying around which I may try out.

What do you guys think of my spin and cadence with the 190mm arms? How fast your reckon im spinning?
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You need therapy..do us all a favor and seek it soon.

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Do what you're going to do, Sir Dripsalot. You've made it pretty clear that the suggestions and advice from the BF collective aren't something you're really interested in listening to.

However, I'm kind of bored, so...

If I was trying to fit you better on this bike, I would suggest a much longer stem - 110, possibly 130, maybe even longer. Your cramped position with the short stem is not conducive to being athletic on the bike, and this is confirmed by the video. You look rigid.

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That bike is too small by a couple of sizes. A longer stem probably won't be enough to save it. That saddle set up isn't going to work if you start riding more than a couple of miles at a time. Sorry....
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Originally Posted by Eric F View Post
Do what you're going to do, Sir Dripsalot. You've made it pretty clear that the suggestions and advice from the BF collective aren't something you're really interested in listening to.

However, I'm kind of bored, so...

If I was trying to fit you better on this bike, I would suggest a much longer stem - 110, possibly 130, maybe even longer. Your cramped position with the short stem is not conducive to being athletic on the bike, and this is confirmed by the video. You look rigid.
I agree with you. I will experiment with a few different stems and see how it feels.

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That bike is too small by a couple of sizes. A longer stem probably won't be enough to save it. That saddle set up isn't going to work if you start riding more than a couple of miles at a time. Sorry....
by too small you mean the top tube length, right? Because based on standover clearance (not a definitive answer to frame size..) the bike is basically a bit too big. I would also prefer a shorter seatube for more exposed seat post.

I've ridden this bike for hours at a time, all the time without any significant fatigue. By the saddle setup, do you mean the angle of the nose? Its perhaps angled up a bit too much, but it's very comfortable for me.

So you think that not even the longest stem available would make up for the length of the top tube? Most bikes in this size i haven't seen go longer than 600mm. This one is 580.

What do you guys think of the crank arm size and the way im pedalling?
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Yes, the top tube. Your reach is very short, you look cramped up. Probably because you switched from drop to flat bars with a short stem. That bike is designed to have drop bars with 80mm+/- reach, plus a stem of 100mm+/-. For the same size intended rider, flat bar hybrids and mtbs will have longer top tubes than their drop bar brethren. You could probably count your cadence over one minute of video if you wanted. Looks like you have a nice place to ride.
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Here's another video -

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I'm thinking an 80mm stem would work best. But I will try both 80 and 100 to see.

I calculated an average cadence of about 85-95 in the videos. I think thats pretty good! I'll practice comfortably getting past 100. The cadence is very smooth thanks to the integrated spindle bottom bracket and feels nice and natural. I love being able to comfortably use different cadences depending on how I feel throughout my ride. I find myself not needing to shift much as I can easily push high gears at any cadence between 60-95 depending on my energy levels.
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do what you're going to do, sir dripsalot. You've made it pretty clear that the suggestions and advice from the bf collective aren't something you're really interested in listening to.
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The cadence is very smooth thanks to the integrated spindle bottom bracket and feels nice and natural.
The bottom bracket design has absolutely no influence whatsoever on smooth cadence; it's all in your mind.
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In the photo of your static position you're rotating your pelvis forward and leaning forward but then supporting your entire torso weight with your 'very overloaded' arms. The position in the static photo is entirely unnatural and is fairly meaningless; other than that it suggests that you probably need a stem about 100mm longer than the one you have!
In the drive-by videos you're pelvis is rotated backwards, your back is almost upright and you are much more relaxed. You're basically trying to ride this bike like it was a hybrid / town bike / shopping bike. All the road shock will be absorbed by your tyres and anything beyond that is going straight into your spine which will not help at all as it's so upright.
Mind you, in this case, the gel-padded saddle cover is probably actually helping a lot. Also, the reason bikes like this are often fitted with springs under the saddles.
If you can, as you say, ride this bike like this for hours without discomfort then good for you, don't change a thing (or maybe consider riding a mountain bike instead). However, if you want to use it as it was intended and ride on the road, longer / faster / further etc. you're going to need to make a lot of adaptations.
Oh, and fit a rear brake!
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As already stated by others, you looked very cramped and rigid on the bike. I assume your extremely upright position combined with the short reach and the gel padding are the only factors making the saddle position tolerable.

In your posts it seems you have found comfort on your bike, which is great. It's what we all strive for. But please understand that your ideas regarding bike fit are way out in left field. Most of us look at your position on the bike and cringe at the thought of riding that way.
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Okay.. so unless I adopt a different riding position with a super long stem, this isn't really the right bike for the way I like to ride.

And you guys think that even 100mm for the stem wouldn't be long enough for my proportions?
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As for rear brake, yes I'm planning to get a longer recessed nut at the bike shop today. Old one snapped off while I was braking due to not being tightened enough..
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And bottom line, if I don't wanna get low on the bike, comfortably, with a much longer stem, im best off simply getting a commuter hybrid bike.

But everything on classifieds is super overpriced, and its unlikely ill find something good. So most likely I'm stuck with this bike (which i dont mind at all,) in the meantime will start with making these adaptations you guys speak off and maybe look around for a more relaxed geometry bike.
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Best/worst/funniest part of this whole ordeal has been the way he passive aggressively pursued his bike fit wackiness for months before finally starting to come around lmao!
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And bottom line, if I don't wanna get low on the bike, comfortably, with a much longer stem, im best off simply getting a commuter hybrid bike.
Bottom line; if you’re happy with the bike you have and you can ride it as far as you need to without discomfort, stick with what you have.
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Okay.. so unless I adopt a different riding position with a super long stem, this isn't really the right bike for the way I like to ride.

And you guys think that even 100mm for the stem wouldn't be long enough for my proportions?
What way to you like to ride? So far, this has been pretty unclear. Are you trying improve performance on the road? Are you looking for something easy/relaxed? What kind of terrain do you usually ride?

IMO, 100mm will still be too short for your proportions, if you're trying to get into an athletic riding position.
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Best/worst/funniest part of this whole ordeal has been the way he passive aggressively pursued his bike fit wackiness for months before finally starting to come around lmao!
losing about 30 lb of weight makes a big different with your fit..

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What way to you like to ride? So far, this has been pretty unclear. Are you trying improve performance on the road? Are you looking for something easy/relaxed? What kind of terrain do you usually ride?

IMO, 100mm will still be too short for your proportions, if you're trying to get into an athletic riding position.
I do mostly pavement, some gravel and light singletrack. Mostly gentle rolling hills and flat pavement. Some steeper stuff and long gentle hills here and there. I've had to dial down my aggressiveness on the cranks lately and my knee impingement has since went away. Most of the time I ride at around the cadence you see in the videos.

Currently, the stem is obviously way too short for me. It's comfortable and I feel relatively well balanced when maneuvering obstacles, but climbing steeper hills or accelerating hard from low speed becomes obvious how rear heavy i am this way.

obviously I am trying to achieve a better fit. imo I've achieved a pretty good balance between comfort and performance, but as I continue to lose weight and improve my cardiovascular health I am beginning to adapt a more aggressive riding position. As I sit now, If I continue to stick with the Nishiki, I guess i will have to compromise a little bit and probably stick with an 80mm stem. I know it will still be too short.

FWIW, when I first got the bike, riding the bike completely stock with a 100mm stem and drop bars, the reach felt WAY too long for me. I know its probably not far off from what would be considered normal for me. I guess I just don't have the core strength to comfortably support myself. The previous owner already slid the saddle all the way forward to compensate. It felt so stretched out.

I'm putting on an 80mm stem today.
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FWIW, when I first got the bike, riding the bike completely stock with a 100mm stem and drop bars, the reach felt WAY too long for me.
Of course you felt too stretched out. You didn't think you needed to ride some and give your body a chance to adapt to a new position on a new bike?

A stem of 100-130 mm and dropped bars would probably put you where you'll eventually want to be.
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Of course you felt too stretched out. You didn't think you needed to ride some and give your body a chance to adapt to a new position on a new bike? A stem of 100-130 mm and dropped bars would probably put you where you'll eventually want to be.
There is hope yet...
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losing about 30 lb of weight makes a big different with your fit...
Alternately, you can allow for the possibility that the people on the forum you are seeking advice from might know what they are talking about.

And you sure don’t look like you’ve lost thirty pounds since those first pics you posted. No offense.

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