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Old 09-24-20, 11:10 AM
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new campy gravel group 1x13 9x36

may be of interest....is is campy

https://www.bikeradar.com/news/campa...tters_17479793
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Not silver.

I was hoping.

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"Without compromise." Well, I'd say a 9-tooth cog presents compromise, but it might not prevent me from using it. I look forward to reviews of this stuff. In general, I like it.
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Originally Posted by noglider
"Without compromise." Well, I'd say a 9-tooth cog presents compromise, but it might not prevent me from using it. I look forward to reviews of this stuff. In general, I like it.
What's the compromise?
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Looks fragilé.
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So following in Rotor's footsteps? From February; https://www.bikeradar.com/features/r...specs-details/
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I thought it would end at 10, then 11, 12...

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I thought everyone would just skip over 13, and go straight to 14, like with elevators.

It looks like an elephant trying to ride a bicycle. What are they thinking.
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The person who can figure out a workable CVT-esque infinite ratio drivetrain that can take pro-level wattage will do very well for themselves. I know an IGH unit that is infinitely variable, but it's not for mashers, at least from what I read a couple of years ago.

It's another gravel groupset that isn't particularly pretty and has the massive (relatively) fluid reservoirs in the shifters, making them still as ungainly as ever. It's a functional look, and it's fine on that level but man, we groupsets need to be pretty again.

A 110/74 BCD triple crankset set up to be a 36/30 or 36/28 double, employing an 11-36T cassette, will have lower gearing than the "Adventure" gearing of a 38-44T low combo. The "Race" gearing is basically 1x road gearing without the aesthetic dignity of a large ring.
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Originally Posted by gugie
I thought it would end at 10, then 11, 12...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKcAYMb5uk4
I'm going to wait on 1X until they get to 17 and I can have my usual gaps. Only 4 more cogs to go.

Isn't there a law, like the computer memory doubling very so many years that applies to cogs?

Just for fun, does anyone have the dates of the start of the next cog? I just make a graph of year-cog number from 1900 to present. When as the 1st 2-speed derailleur, 3-speed FW? Etc. I'll toss them in the graph and see if I can derive the law.
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
I'm going to wait on 1X until they get to 17 and I can have my usual gaps. Only 4 more cogs to go.

Isn't there a law, like the computer memory doubling very so many years that applies to cogs?

Just for fun, does anyone have the dates of the start of the next cog? I just make a graph of year-cog number from 1900 to present. When as the 1st 2-speed derailleur, 3-speed FW? Etc. I'll toss them in the graph and see if I can derive the law.
Good point, there must be a Moore's Law for cogs.. @Andy_K is Chief Potato Overlord over at Intel, perhaps he can elucidate.
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel
The person who can figure out a workable CVT-esque infinite ratio drivetrain that can take pro-level wattage will do very well for themselves. I know an IGH unit that is infinitely variable, but it's not for mashers, at least from what I read a couple of years ago.

It's another gravel groupset that isn't particularly pretty and has the massive (relatively) fluid reservoirs in the shifters, making them still as ungainly as ever. It's a functional look, and it's fine on that level but man, we groupsets need to be pretty again.

A 110/74 BCD triple crankset set up to be a 36/30 or 36/28 double, employing an 11-36T cassette, will have lower gearing than the "Adventure" gearing of a 38-44T low combo. The "Race" gearing is basically 1x road gearing without the aesthetic dignity of a large ring.
I can mostly get over the levers. They look prettier than the Shimano and Sram equivalents, but eesh, that rear derailleur. I've seen microshift ders that look better. That might be the ugliest Campy part I've seen and that includes the plastic entry level grouppos from a while back.
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There’s math.
No one said there’d be math.

13 is unsafe for so many reasons.
You have to look down twice as long to guess your gear.
The fingers go to ten, the extra one is a risk now with 11.
I’m already skipping cogs.
The whole 13 thing...

Just another waypoint en route to all 1x all the time.
I love mine but a Cat 4 climb last Saturday, 21% at 98 miles in: a double bailed me out or I’d have fallen over.

While a compact crank with 11-32 is getting me by across the board, a 52/36 with 12-36, a Roadlink and a clutched RD. may be my huckleberry.

That’s just the gearing thing. I still can’t wrap my head around brake fluid on a bike.

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Originally Posted by tricky
I can mostly get over the levers. They look prettier than the Shimano and Sram equivalents, but eesh, that rear derailleur. I've seen microshift ders that look better. That might be the ugliest Campy part I've seen and that includes the plastic entry level grouppos from a while back.
The road ones are a little better, but that may be because they are EPS (well, the ones I see in the Tour). Shimano's Dura-Ace and Ultegra mechanic shift, hydraulic brake units are hideous. It's like, I gotta pay all this money and it still looks no better than a gen one RS505? The RS505 is the "I can't even" of shift lever design. How that got past the first sketch review is beyond me. Naturally, the only way to go hydraulic for Shimano and get decent looks is Di2.

Re: Microshift. Yeah, if one of the big three design something that looks like it came from them, that isn't a good thing, IMO. The offset dual jockey wheel look is all MTB and all super-mech-warrior-5000. I take that back. Shimano's XTR M9100 looks like that, but in a nutty, cool way.

For now though, I will cut the grousing. I don't need to do any more!
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Originally Posted by gugie
Good point, there must be a Moore's Law for cogs.. @Andy_K is Chief Potato Overlord over at Intel, perhaps he can elucidate.
I think it's more of a supply-and-demand kind of curve. Whenever sales go down, the number of cogs goes up.
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Someone set this up with a triple and grab the high score for number of gears!
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
There’s math.
No one said there’d be math.

13 is unsafe for so many reasons.

You have to look down twice as long to guess your gear.
The fingers go to ten, the extra one is a risk now with 11. I’m already skipping cogs.
The whole 13 thing...

Just another waypoint en route to all 1x all the time. I love mine but a Cat 4 climb last Saturday, 21% at 98 miles in: a double bailed me out or I’d have fallen over.

While a compact crank with 11-32 is getting me by across the board, a 52/36 with 12-36, a Roadlink and a clutched RD. may be my huckleberry.

That’s just the gearing thing. I still can’t wrap my head around brake fluid on a bike.
Spinal Tap generation. 11 is enough.
this ensemble is interesting. I agree the aesthetics are subordinate.
When Valentino took over aesthetics ruled and Campagnolo almost failed.
Experience provides lessons.
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Yet one more reason why my entire collection ranges from 4-7 speed rear clusters. Because I don't need anything more, won't get any better performance with more gear choices, and there's just something marketingly disgusting about them.

It also shows how I've dropped out of the market again. My most modern bike owned was 9x2 Ultegra. I knew 10 was around, had heard something about 11 . . . . . . . . . . never even heard about 12 and this isn't the first 13?

Tomorrow morning I'm riding the '72 Raleigh Grand Prix. A. Real. Bicycle.
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I think nine is more than enough, personally. I don't know what can't be done with nine. There's this thing called a motorcycle...

How narrow are chains gonna get?
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You all realize that it's 13 total gears, right? And that the touring bikes of old with 5-speed blocks and triple cranks had more total gears (though not necessarily more range; if I'm doing the math right, 3 x 5 = 15, but I'm a mere English teacher, so someone check my work)?
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Originally Posted by shoota
What's the compromise?
Accelerated wear in multiple departments. If chains are kept clean and lubricated, and replaced with absolute regularity, then it will be tolerable.

The element (gravel) that the groupset is designed to function in will also impart more wear just to dust/debris/wet etc.

My XC racer running a 1X with narrow chain and the commonly used smallest cog needs extra attention in relation to the drivetrain.

Not to worry though.......................2X will make a comeback!

ETA- I always have a spare rear cassette on hand, as they wear out pretty fast.
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Originally Posted by dunkleosteus
Someone set this up with a triple and grab the high score for number of gears!
Not even close. There was a bike at the first shop I worked in that had a sram 3sp internal hub with 9sp cassette freehub body, had some sort of 2sp internal bb and a triple crank. High gear was so high that at 240lb I could stand on one crank arm and the arm would barely move, one rotation of the crank equated to 7 turns of the wheel while on the easy side 7 spins of the crank didn't quite turn the wheel one full revolution. The bike wasn't really anything useful but it was fun to mess around with.
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Originally Posted by Russ Roth
Not even close. There was a bike at the first shop I worked in that had a sram 3sp internal hub with 9sp cassette freehub body, had some sort of 2sp internal bb and a triple crank. High gear was so high that at 240lb I could stand on one crank arm and the arm would barely move, one rotation of the crank equated to 7 turns of the wheel while on the easy side 7 spins of the crank didn't quite turn the wheel one full revolution. The bike wasn't really anything useful but it was fun to mess around with.
That's amazing LOL. So there were four shifters on the bars?
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I guess it’s progress moving from colossally abundant to sexy prime?

Whatever, I’m riding 1x1 these days which is neither.

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Tell me again, why is 1X supposed to be better??

I don't see the logic. I can kind of understand if for mountain bikes. For me, a gravel bike is a bike you can ride on the road for 30 miles, then ride on fire trails for another 20 miles, and then road again, etc. For that, if anything you want more range. 3x would seem to me to be more sensible. Never had a problem with Campy NR in ye olden days.
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