cdaniels

I just received a very tired old PX10 frame in blue with yellow nervex pro lugs. I will post some pictures later to determine the year. My question for now is when did they stop producing them in the blue with yellow lugs? I did a basic search on the web and it looks like 62ish but I see reference to 64/65 with that color option. Anyone know for sure?

This is not mine simply for reference

juvela

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have wondered about this question as well

your dates are right in there

recall that by the time Tom Simpson was their star they had changed to the white with black trim as a team/house colour scheme

shall look forward to reading the information of the experts...


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Pcampeau

Looking forward to your pics. The blue with yellow lugs scheme is my personal favorite.

juvela

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this colour scheme also employed on some Peugeot produced Terrot cycles of the late nineteen fifties and early ninteen sixties

have not seen it employed with any of their other owned badges, such as Helium, which certainly does not mean none were produced...


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repechage

My observation was 1963, a casual one though.
obviously by ‘67 they were team white and black. Tom Simpson era.

xiaoman1 

^^^^^On my list.....Love the color scheme!
Best, Ben

randyjawa 

That livery is my absolute favorite for the PX10. White with black lugs is also very nice, but the blue and yellow is perfect. Congrats!

cdaniels

So here is my frame, I know it needs just a little work. The fork is not the original and I don't think that derailleur is either. The rear dropouts are stamped L.J.Simplex and the non drive side has the thumb tab on it. Any idea on the year? I would think the serial number indicated 67 but I thought the yellow lugs had been replaced by black at that point. Please note that the serial number is back against the chainstays not directly at the bottom. There is also an X, or possibly Y stamped in the center of the bottom where the number would usually be.

bikemig 

That’s a great find. You have some work ahead of you.

cdaniels

Thanks, It was actually just dumb luck that I found it.

juvela

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thanks very much for these images

shall look forward to following along with the project

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the Simplex Prestige rear mech seen in the pictures is model 636, the final complete year for which was 1968

agree that it may well be a replacement

a date of 1963 was suggested earlier in the thread as the transition date from blue to white

a Prestige of that time would have exhibited thumb adjuster wheels, white Delrin and an amber reflector

IIRC Tom Simpson would have been the star of the pro team by 1967 and he rode white machines in all the images have seen of him as a team member

is the hardwood plug yet present at the base of the steerer?

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cdaniels

I dont believe that fork is the right one. There are no fender eyelets on the legs.

juvela

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Bingo!

the Vagner DP+ crown would not have been on there

madame Dubois would have been in residence


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bikingshearer 

Peugeot changed from their blue jerseys with the fancy backwards-P script to black and white w/checkerboard and block letters in the early 60s, I believe. They did so because the now-iconic B&W look stood out better on B&W TVs.

The change was certainly made by 1966, when a certain still-wet-behind-the-ears phenom left Rik van Looy's Solo-Superia "Red Guard" and joined the Peugeot team for a couple years. Eddy didn't think much of the Peugeots he was given to ride. When he moved on to Faema and started having his frames custom made, he once attacked Roger Pingeon on a downhill (c.1968 or 1969), saying afterwards that part of the reason he went when he did was because he knew that the PX-10 Pingeon was on was not a good descending bike. (I wish I could remember where I read this.) Hey, I don't make this stuff up, I just report it.

Apparently, the PX-10 was good enough for Bernard Thevenet in 1975 . . . .

gbi

My best "ROUGH" estimate for the year of your frame is 1961.

repechage

And I rode for a Peugeot sponsored club in 1975.

cdaniels

If anyone is still following my thread, I had enough parts stored away to assemble it into a riding bike. I had a 80 something Peugeot that I had sold the frame off and still had all the parts in a box. The rear derailleur was not usable since it had a hanger on it but I had a Spidel replacement in another box. I scrubbed the frame with WD-40 and steel wool to get rid of the loose rust. Then put everything onto this frame. Since the frame is rough I didn't take the time to cleanup the parts other than wiping them off, Put new cables and bar tape and there you have it. It rides exceptionally well for what it is. Next step would be to collect the correct parts and repaint. I have a Spidel groupset waiting for something, this might be an interesting period upgrade. Maybe just ride it like this. What do you guys think?

jdawginsc 

Love, love , love the patina. Just ride as is!

juvela

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kitmentation -

once the ~MCMLXIII date was established it set going what be remaining o' me "mind"

depending on where you decide to let the cycle fall it gives some fascinating options...

for a chainset it would have had either a Verot 57 or a Verot 63

headset would have been a first generation Verot P3

for brakes you have the option of going with the regular ole MAFAC Racer model...or if a bit adventurous the TOP 63

pedals would have been the Lyotard model 45CA
if you don't care for quills it would be reasonable to substitute the Berthet

possible that Prior hubs from Monsieur Maurice Maillard may have been plausible depending upon date...

others are sure to express mo' & mo' beddah idees


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cudak888 

Looking good. Would be fantastic if you could get someone to respray just the downtube and match the rest of the frame; the rest of the nicks really aren't that bad at all - and it wears it's age so nicely.

Just FYI, the RD pivot spring stop appears to be broken.

-Kurt

cdaniels

No, not broken, the spring may be a little weak. It shifts quite well.

gbi

Peugeot serial #'s may have exceeded 800,000 by the end of 1960.
Your frame might be older than the decals suggest.

cdaniels

Can you elaborate on that please?

gbi

Apparently, in the 50s and 60s, Peugeot serial #s would go almost to 1,000,000 then they would rewind the serial #s and start again.

This looks to have happened around 1956 and again around 1962/63.

Your frame's serial # puts it at about 1960, perhaps the frame was slightly older or replacement stock in the factory when it was decaled later around 63.

After the 1962/63 rewind Peugeot went beyond the 1,000,000 mark and we can see 1,000,000+ serial #s in the early 70s.

cdaniels

Interesting......thank you for the information.