Narhay

I recently purchased this Peugeot Competition based on the interesting assortment of components on it. It is a bit ratty at the moment but I can see the paint and parts will polish up very nicely. I'm dating it to the early 80s, maybe a PK13 (Canadian market). The stronglight triple is very interesting to me. I hope the bottom bracket is in good condition. The wheels are low flange tipo with Weinmann concave 700c rims. Interestingly one of the quick release nuts is Record which is nice because I have a set of record skewers with one tipo nut.

In the background the blue bike is a 1977 MKM. Frame is tatty but the early dura ace group is quite nice.

bikemig 

I like this bike. I have a 1982 Peugeot PXN 10 and it is a fine machine. My bike does not have a 1/2 chromed rear triangle and it has what looks to be different simplex drop outs. The drop outs on my bike have a stop and are threaded so you have a choice of which RDs to run. This looks like an older style that has been modded to work with a suntour RD.

That would be cool if the spindle is good on that triple. 125 mm stronglight spindles are not easy to find. Is the inside chainring on that triple a 38? Those aren't easy to find and they're great to run on a double when using a stronglight 93 crank.

T-Mar

Yes, assuming the triple is OEM, it would be a PK13. Canada offered three different version of the Competition during 1980-1983. However, I haven't see a PK13 with Nervex lugs, chromed stay ends or that dropout. I'm wondering if this is older than it appears to be. Serial number?

rustystrings61 

I think it's older than the 80s - in fact, I think it's a '70-71 PX-10 that has had bottle bosses added to it, and the stock Simplex rear hanger has been cut off and a Campagnolo style hanger brazed on - see the brass where it was added? Someone has also added top tube housing tunnels and brazed-on rack bosses. I say '71 or earlier because I see Nervex Professional lugs and fork crown with the slacker angles, and that combination stops around 1972, the year of the plain DuBois lugs. When Nervex lugs returned on some PX-10s in '73 they came with steeper head and seat tube angles. These are later decals and paint on an older frame with gobs o' clearance. The work was possibly done in the late 70s - early 80s using readily available decals, back before you could get reproduction ones. I remember seeing a similar treatment to a PX-10E around 1980 on a bike on a Southern Bicycle League event ride.

It's a VERY cool bike in some ways, which corrects some of the flaws of the PX-10, and the paint is old enough to have some cool patina. Also, someone has kitted it out with some very cool components. It's even my size! I think you scored a deal, and it will ride beautifully!

Narhay

It has the same riveted serial plate as my 1972 PX-10, or at least it did at one point.

The brass is an interesting discovery but it does seem correct now that you mention it. It will be a couple days before I can pull it apart and clean and get some detail shots.

It has the same low stack stronglight competition headset as my PX-10 too. And yes, a 38T small ring. I think it is 54-45-38 but I didn't count the middle.

bertinjim 

narhay -

As rustystrings61 said, an early 70s Peugeot PX 10 in 1980s livery. It should be a full 531 frame and fork.

dddd

Oh man, this one threw me for a loop!
I thought it would turn out to be a 1980-ish PX10 Super Competition with the "Super" scraped off.

Great bike imho.

John E

My son's (formerly my) 1980 PKN-10 has painted stays and half-chrome forks. It is still one of my favorites among all of the bikes I have owned, but I gave it to him because it is one size too tall and long for me.

My old PKN-10, now my son's kiddie-puller, although the boys are getting big for the trailer now. When pulling the trailer up a hill, my son has always been glad I replaced the original Stronglight double with the Sugino triple shown here.

1simplexnut

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Wow !
What is not to like about that !
Even with the later decals .
Good find !
Have fun with it

Narhay

I'm intrigued about the tire clearance as the closest touch point is actually the bottom of the fork crown with just a couple mm of clearance. I thought for sure I'd be limited limited by the caliper brakes or the rear bridges.

I think this one will really polish up nicely as much of the tattiness seems to be the black rub marks that come off easily with rubbing compound. I'm looking forward to disassembly on this one to see what I've got to work with. Not sure about longterm plans as I already have a 1972 PX-10 in the classic black and white but with the plain lugs. This makes bike #3 with nervex for me.

John E

These bikes tend to have generous 700C tire clearance, but you are correct about the fork crown being the limiting factor.

When I ran 27" rims, I had to stick with a 1" (25-26mm) tire up front, but my son currently runs 700Cx35s, which do work. In the past I had 700Cx28 Specialized tires, which tend to run a bit large -- again, no problem. In contrast, my Bianchi of the same vintage can take 700Cx28s, but only if they run slightly small, e.g. Continentals, which are more like 26mm. The Specialized Armadillo 700Cx28s that worked so well on the Peugeot are too tall/fat for the Bianchi.

Charles Wahl

The upside of having low brake clearance is that it makes it easy to go 650B. I have a PX-10 frame that I believe to be a '72 (plain "DuBois" lugs, serial 2513217) and its brake reach for 700C is 52.5 in front, and 55 in the rear.. But if I want to try 650B on it, I can use brakes like the Weinmann 750, don't have to go to MAFAC Raids. Plus, it'll clear 42 mm wide tires in either 700C or 650B. That said, I seem to remember someone's observation that their PX-10 had a bottom bracket that's on the low side for 650B -- but I'd counter that a 650B x 42 has a tire diameter that's about the same as a 700C with a narrower tire. {revised to absolve Neal Lerner, to whom the low bottom bracket aspersion was attributed, apparently falsely}

Narhay

Well the stem was stuck. Doh.

Some minor paint loss on the fork was the casualty by my ham-fisted attempts to free it but it is now out after an hour of various methods of removal. This does mean I will be able to clean it up and start the rebuild. I have most of my tools here including a TA crank remover but of course BOTH stronglight removers are sitting uselessly in a drawer at the other house. I pulled the chainrings to be able to clean the bb area better for now.

Charles Wahl

I can let you borrow a Stronglight crank remover -- don't know how long it would take to get from The Big Apple to The 6 (or wherever you are that's not home), but you're welcome to it.

juvela

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great to read the experts got it all well sorted!

the incongruity which struck me eye first was the presence of the model 93 chainset in combination with this paint and transfer scheme

the model 93 was revised in 1977 came out the other side as the model 105

so one would expect a cycle wearing this paint and transfer scheme to be fitted with either a model 104 or a model 105 chainset

the Modolo brakes and ProAce pedals are certainly upgrades over what would have been on there originally...

looks like you made a fine buy!


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Narhay

That's very generous but I should be back home in the next week or two and can remove it then.

I managed to strip, polish and wax the frame. There was remnants of cloudy and chipped clearcoat on the chrome. It was very time consuming to remove but I managed it. I took a photo but under the harsh lighting and the background it didn't really do it justice so you will all have to wait.

There was one unfortunate casualty. The band clamp for the suntour derailleur had the inner bolt frozen and stripped. I was forced to clip it off. I will beg the Maeda gods for forgiveness when I pass.

Speaking of Maeda the freewheel shows Suntour NWN. I am assuming new winner.

Narhay

Narhay

The seatpost was a 26.0 SR laprade. I am almost positive it should be a 26.4 like my other PX-10. Any thoughts?

At least the seatpost wasn't stuck like the stem was.

nlerner

I did do a 650B conversion on a '72 PX-10, one of my first ones! It fit 42mm Hetre tires without modification. I don't recall a low BB being as issue. Frame was a bit too tall for me, so it circulated among the Boston-area bike nuts. Here's a pic from back in the day:

bikemig 

You also did a 650A conversion on a PR 10 as well, right?

rustystrings61 

Yep, that should be a 26.4. I've had success on several bikes with gently spreading the clamp area and running a brake cylinder hone down the seat tube to clean up any corrosion that may have built up.

nlerner

PX-10, actually:

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Charles Wahl

My apologies; must be the synapses in my onboard memory shorting out again. Maybe it was another Bay Stater, like southpawboston . Or just my imagination. The BB drop doesn't look at all on the low side in your photo, for sure.