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Old 06-10-21, 04:45 PM
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Old Stan Johnson turned out to be a mystery

Hey all,

I was recently gifted this old steel bike and was told it was an early Stan Johnson. I was so excited to have a piece of local history I sought out Mr. Johnson and he called me back! Only to find out it is in fact NOT one of his frames so now I'm on the hunt to figure out what it could be. Any advice would be awesome! It has Campy dropouts front and rear. Trying to figure out how to post photos but I'm new here. Thanks for the patience!
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Old 06-10-21, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nategar View Post
Hey all,

I was recently gifted this old steel bike and was told it was an early Stan Johnson. I was so excited to have a piece of local history I sought out Mr. Johnson and he called me back! Only to find out it is in fact NOT one of his frames so now I'm on the hunt to figure out what it could be. Any advice would be awesome! It has Campy dropouts front and rear. Trying to figure out how to post photos but I'm new here. Thanks for the patience!
Welcome aboard, glad you found us, you're in the right place.

You need 5 posts X 2 days for 10 to post pics, its an anti-spam measure that serves us very well.

Your pics may have gone to your album and someone may move them here.

Go around, say Hi, AND comment on any other posts that interest you for the 10 as well.

And I have have almost no info on Mr. Johnson, you might want to expound on him as well anyway.

We love a good mystery.
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Amazing! Thank you so much for the help. I'll mosey around and get aquatinted. Thanks for the guidance!
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Welcome nategar. You're at the right place for information. Get your ten posts in and then put up some photos.

I have a couple of Stan Johnson built frames. It's too bad yours isn't one of his. He is an unknown, but did some very nice work.
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Originally Posted by nategar View Post
Hey all,

I was recently gifted this old steel bike and was told it was an early Stan Johnson. I was so excited to have a piece of local history I sought out Mr. Johnson and he called me back! Only to find out it is in fact NOT one of his frames so now I'm on the hunt to figure out what it could be. Any advice would be awesome! It has Campy dropouts front and rear. Trying to figure out how to post photos but I'm new here. Thanks for the patience!
You can respond to each post here to get the count up as well.

Pic #1 in post #6 is very troublesome to me, looks like from here there is a kink in the BB shell, may be an indication of a crash or collision, need more, better pics.
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
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Pic #1 in post #6 is very troublesome to me, looks like from here there is a kink in the BB shell, may be an indication of a crash or collision, need more, better pics.
Certainly deserves some investigation. Could also be from a pump, as there is no peg.

Seems like a betrer than average bike at first blush.
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Originally Posted by thinktubes View Post
Certainly deserves some investigation. Could also be from a pump, as there is no peg.

Seems like a betrer than average bike at first blush.
You could be right, I see the wrinkle I was seeing is probably the DT socket so maybe just paint loss.
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nategar If you remove the fork, is there a matching number on the steerer tube?



This frame looks an awful lot like an MKM from around 1976-ish, judging by the serial number. Here are some pics:


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MauriceMoss Always astounding, sir.

What I want to know is was MKM before or after the formation of Cream, ELP, Derek and the Dominoes and CSN and Y!!! Supergroup power!
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nategar If you remove the fork, is there a matching number on the steerer tube?



This frame looks an awful lot like an MKM
AMAZING!!! THANK YOU SIR! I can't tell you how much I appreciate your time on this. Sorry for any delayed responses, I was past my 5 posts cap for yesterday.
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Also there doesn't appear to be any damage near the bottom bracket, I looked extensively and it seems like just the lug and paint peel action going on. Now the only question is what to do with it! Obviously ride and enjoy it, but I guess I'll just spray.bike it eventually. Doesn't seem like there's much value for these guys despite them being lightweight and nice riding. Has mega tire clearance too, I test fit a 38c wide tire and it fit no problem!
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https://www.mkm-cycles.co.uk/frame-numbering

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[QUOTE=dedhed;22098869[/QUOTE]

Thank you! I'll have to double check the fork but I'm pretty sure it's going to be there. I still don't think I can post photos but I found a NOS 1977 which appears to be the same year and color as mine. Pretty cool!
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Congratulations! Nice gift! I am not familiar with Stan Johnson, but I have seen a few MKM's, and those were really nice. Stevensb 's Metcalfe comes to mind.
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AMAZING!!! THANK YOU SIR! I can't tell you how much I appreciate your time on this. Sorry for any delayed responses, I was past my 5 posts cap for yesterday.
You're welcome.
Stan Johnson would have been nice but MKM is very nice, too; a win either way.
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