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Old 01-13-22, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
Returning to the original question, you need to define your goals. If you just want to ride in the fast group rides, then do that. If you want to win races, you need more specific training, like structured workouts and base miles NOT done at high power.
I want to win spectrum, don't really want to race yet because there are tons of strong but inexperienced cat 5s and 6s out here, the practice crit was sketchy.
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Old 01-13-22, 10:36 AM
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Zero. Closest group rides are 12 miles away.
Figured I would need to ride an hour there and back plus the ride itself makes for a long day.
Too much living life that gets in the way of cycling.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
I want to win spectrum, don't really want to race yet because there are tons of strong but inexperienced cat 5s and 6s out here, the practice crit was sketchy.
Larry, a group ride is not a race, no matter how fast they're going. And you can't seriously be talking about Cat 6 racing...?
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Old 01-13-22, 10:43 AM
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been sober this week. One day at a time
I don't know the back story, if you're an alcoholic or just want to stop for training, but when I quit drinking the hardest thing to think about was that I could never drink again. I actually kept going to the bar and hung out with the same people so it wouldn't be such a shock.
I was very sick and knew I had to quit so that was an incentive. It's been more than 30 years since I had a drop.
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Larry, a group ride is not a race, no matter how fast they're going. And you can't seriously be talking about Cat 6 racing...?
By cat 6 I meant there were lots of strong people where this was their first race, so not even cat 5s. I don't want to ride in the 4/5 field when I could just ride with the cat 1s in the local group rides. Winning sprint points on said rides would require at least a cat 2 level of fitness though
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
I want to win spectrum, don't really want to race yet because there are tons of strong but inexperienced cat 5s and 6s out here, the practice crit was sketchy.
Last weeks ride - you kept up with them for, what, 6 or 7 miles? But isn't the whole ride more like 30 or 40? I mean, kudos on keeping up with them, but to "win" would mean keeping up with them the whole way and then still having a crapload of watts left to throw down at the end. You won't get that just from riding with them.

The guys who "win Spectrum" do a lot of other training besides group rides. Structured training, base miles, etc. Spectrum isn't that hard for them.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
By cat 6 I meant there were lots of strong people where this was their first race, so not even cat 5s. I don't want to ride in the 4/5 field when I could just ride with the cat 1s in the local group rides. Winning sprint points on said rides would require at least a cat 2 level of fitness though
Dude. It's not just fitness. It's bikehandling, tactics, SPECIFIC fitness, etc. If you can't beat Cat 4/5s, you're not any better than they are. This is why I don't race IRL - I don't trust MY bikehandling in a crowd, let alone everyone else's. I'm too old to break bones because somebody else crashes and I go down as a result.
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Dude. It's not just fitness. It's bikehandling, tactics, SPECIFIC fitness, etc. If you can't beat Cat 4/5s, you're not any better than they are. This is why I don't race IRL - I don't trust MY bikehandling in a crowd, let alone everyone else's. I'm too old to break bones because somebody else crashes and I go down as a result.
Ooh I know, I'm not saying I'm any better or suggesting that I'm close to winning spectrum. I just don't want to race in cat 4/5 right now because I really don't want to crash. I can learn tactics and skills on the group rides. Need to wheelsuck harder.
I think spectrum is 60 miles
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Ooh I know, I'm not saying I'm any better or suggesting that I'm close to winning spectrum. I just don't want to race in cat 4/5 right now because I really don't want to crash. I can learn tactics and skills on the group rides. Need to wheelsuck harder.
I think spectrum is 60 miles
Yeah, that's a far piece! I can ride 60 miles. I can't ride 60 miles at that speed, even with all that draft. But I don't like riding in groups, anyhow, and I actually LOVE the kind of riding you say is too boring!

You might look into any workshops on bikehandling for racing that local clubs sponsor. Things like practicing bumping without falling, or cornering, or pack riding tactics. Things like the bump drills, they do on soft, grassy areas, so that WHEN you fall it doesn't hurt.
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Not sure if this is about group rides, racing or recovery from substances. Let me know and I'll move this to the right area.
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Old 01-13-22, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
Yeah, that's a far piece! I can ride 60 miles. I can't ride 60 miles at that speed, even with all that draft. But I don't like riding in groups, anyhow, and I actually LOVE the kind of riding you say is too boring!

You might look into any workshops on bikehandling for racing that local clubs sponsor. Things like practicing bumping without falling, or cornering, or pack riding tactics. Things like the bump drills, they do on soft, grassy areas, so that WHEN you fall it doesn't hurt.
yeah I'm doing the early bird practice crit series. People are paying for me to do it because I'm poor, such nice people.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
By cat 6 I meant there were lots of strong people where this was their first race, so not even cat 5s. I don't want to ride in the 4/5 field when I could just ride with the cat 1s in the local group rides. Winning sprint points on said rides would require at least a cat 2 level of fitness though
There is no Cat 6, actually. I mean that is literally not a racing category. Are we clear on that?
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Not sure if this is about group rides, racing or recovery from substances. Let me know and I'll move this to the right area.
The "Addiction" thread?
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There is no Cat 6, actually. I mean that is literally not a racing category. Are we clear on that?
Sure, but there are still plenty of super strong cat 6s. Heck, on the waver I signed to enter a practice crit I put "cat 6" when it asked what category of racing I was entering.
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When you say, "Cat 6" you're basically saying non-racers, right? Which is everyone else.
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When you say, "Cat 6" you're basically saying non-racers, right? Which is everyone else.
yeah there were tons of strong young dudes who don't race. Was cool to see, but kind of sketchy, I can't crash right now because of my neck. Also can't stay in my drops for more than 10 minutes which kind of sucks. Damn neck.
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the "addiction" thread?
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There is no Cat 6, actually. I mean that is literally not a racing category. Are we clear on that?
You've never had someone pull a Cat 6 on you? Tell me you didn't slide the lever forward and rise on the saddle just a little.
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I’ve got nothing to add but just wanted to get in on this thread somehow.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Sure, but there are still plenty of super strong cat 6s. Heck, on the waver I signed to enter a practice crit I put "cat 6" when it asked what category of racing I was entering.
There is no Cat 6.
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Larry, when you wrecked on the crit, were you alone or did you take some others with you?
Ooh nobody wrecked, I meant I quickly found myself near the back and a group of us got pulled early (we hopped back in next lap.) my group skills are actually better than my fitness right now because of how much group riding I do.
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
There is no Cat 6.
  1. No poofters.
  2. No member of the faculty is to maltreat the Abos in any way whatsoever—if there's anyone watching.
  3. No poofters.
  4. I don't want to catch anyone not drinking in their room after lights out.
  5. No poofters.
  6. There is no rule six.
  7. No poofters.
Those guys who were engaged in the practice of racing are not racers some how they were just random people who got swept up in the moment and happened to be on their bikes and happened to be registered for the race they were racing in but they aren't racers.
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
When you say, "Cat 6" you're basically saying non-racers, right? Which is everyone else.
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yeah there were tons of strong young dudes who don't race. Was cool to see, but kind of sketchy, I can't crash right now because of my neck. Also can't stay in my drops for more than 10 minutes which kind of sucks. Damn neck.
Larry apparently does understand that there is no official "Category 6" and that that's a joke term used by licensed racers to smear unskilled new would-be racers. Hard to tell from his ambiguous replies to Koyote's and genejockey's requests for clarification, though.

That said, much as I hate to think I'm encouraging anyone's participating in outlaw we-own-the-road jackass behavior like the Spectrum ride, if Larry truly has learned how to handle himself safely in the pack, he might be able to hang longer by riding smarter. In particular, since he's probably one of the heavier riders there, he should move toward the front of the pack on flat and downhill terrain and then slowly filter back toward the tail end of the group on the climbs.
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Larry apparently does understand that there is no official "Category 6" and that that's a joke term used by licensed racers to smear unskilled new would-be racers. Hard to tell from his ambiguous replies to Koyote's and genejockey's requests for clarification, though.

That said, much as I hate to think I'm encouraging anyone's participating in outlaw we-own-the-road jackass behavior like the Spectrum ride, if Larry truly has learned how to handle himself safely in the pack, he might be able to hang longer by riding smarter. In particular, since he's probably one of the heavier riders there, he should move toward the front of the pack on flat and downhill terrain and then slowly filter back toward the tail end of the group on the climbs.
ive been going to crit race clinics the past 2 weeks, went today and got destroyed again but I'm blaming my legs for being tired. Did 345 miles this week which is a ton for me. Still a long ways away from keeping up with the A riders.
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... I'm blaming my legs for being tired.
My guess is your legs are blaming you.
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