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Old 01-19-22, 08:11 AM
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haven't been aware of ANY helmet "enforcement" anywhere, ever. maybe I'm not observant?
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Old 01-19-22, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
haven't been aware of ANY helmet "enforcement" anywhere, ever. maybe I'm not observant?
Historically, they are VERY selectively enforced.
Three summers ago there were several high profile incidents in Greater Boston.
(Covid has put a temporary stay on the harassments.)

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This topic is still destined for the everlasting gobstopper thread, but....

The only change to Massachusetts bicycle helmet law that I support is this: STRIKE: "A bicycle operated by a person under the age of eighteen in violation of this section may be impounded by the police department, or in a town which has no police department, by the selectmen, for a period not to exceed fifteen days." Springfield, Lowell, and Salem all had high profiles abuses of this section this summer, but this is abused constantly and it has to stop. (A nice side effect of striking that sentence? There would be no penalty for not wearing a bicycle helmet in Massachusetts. If that bothers someone too much, I suggest the fine be set at $1.00 for a first offence, $2.00 for subsequent offences, with a coupon that can be redemed for a helmet.)

Bicycle helmets are a medical question, not a legal question. The usual suspects here can argue with their own doctors all they want.

Bicycle helmet giveways are a proven intervention by the way. Surprisingly high percentage of people continue to wear a helmet once they start wearing a helmet.

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Old 01-19-22, 09:00 AM
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I think the thing that bothers me about mandatory adult helmet laws is that they don't apply to automobile drivers.
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Old 01-19-22, 09:28 AM
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Our local helmet law is probably not enforced very often on it's own. The cop has another reason to invoke it. I do get the general feeling that wearing a helmet has given me a bit of leeway when a cop sees me not coming to a full STOP. Around here, riding helmet-less makes one an easy prey for a cascade of infractions. That is one reason cyclists end up wearing them, eventually: get ticketed once and you'll make sure it never happens again.

Americans do not like helmet laws, even for motorcycles, and they have the popular weight to influence politics. We have under-performing public health care looking for all possible ways to keep people out of hospitals. We also consider a turban to be a valid substitute for a motorcycle helmet because we are open-minded.
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Old 01-19-22, 09:31 AM
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Our local helmet law is probably not enforced very often on it's own. The cop has another reason to invoke it. I do get the general feeling that wearing a helmet has given me a bit of leeway when a cop sees me not coming to a full STOP. Around here, riding helmet-less makes one an easy prey for a cascade of infractions. That is one reason cyclists end up wearing them, eventually: get ticketed once and you'll make sure it never happens again.

Americans do not like helmet laws, even for motorcycles, and they have the popular weight to influence politics. We have under-performing public health care looking for all possible ways to keep people out of hospitals. We also consider a turban to be a valid substitute for a motorcycle helmet because we are open-minded.
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Old 01-19-22, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
I don't know what grows on the chest of people who think that constant repetition of tired cliches and foolish stereotypes makes goofy statements any less ignorant, but it certainly seems as if something is missing.

Are they missing a crop of well-rested cliches and wise stereotypes?
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Old 01-19-22, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
Your city must have greedy b'crats that take great joy in high priced fines so they can blow more money on what they want.

More likely the crackdowns were the result of a well-connected person having an unpleasant encounter with a cyclist. Two short crackdowns in 10 years is too sporadic to be a budgetary measure.
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Old 01-19-22, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Are they missing a crop of well-rested cliches and wise stereotypes?
Must be, or maybe with the advent of an ailment of aging have forgotten them and must keep repeating the same old hackneyed blather.
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Old 01-19-22, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Must be, or maybe with the advent of an ailment of aging have forgotten them and must keep repeating the same old hackneyed blather.

I really wish I didn't know young people who do this too. Alas, we appear to live in an age of hackneyed blather.

"Hackneyed Blather" is a great name for an Irish ska band, btw
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Old 01-19-22, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
haven't been aware of ANY helmet "enforcement" anywhere, ever. maybe I'm not observant?
I was scolded or stopped by cops 2-3 times in Seattle about six years ago (of more). Then we had a change of Mayor, which I think helped. And that led to even better bike infrastructure. We also had the ubiquitous and ugly bike share program pop up, where very few if any users wear a helmet. So the article I posted in the op was surprising to me, since I perceived helmet enforcement already in the distant past.

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I do get the general feeling that wearing a helmet has given me a bit of leeway when a cop sees me not coming to a full STOP.
Makes sense. Fortunately, here in Washington state, we've had the Idaho stop law since 10/2020.
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Old 01-20-22, 12:11 AM
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I've had a lot of experience with the helmet police with riders. No cops because it's none of their business. People will side eye you without a helmet though
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Old 01-20-22, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
I've had a lot of experience with the helmet police with riders. No cops because it's none of their business. People will side eye you without a helmet though

So? They're entitled to their opinion and you're free to take it on or ignore it. Now you're calling people "police" because you don't like their facial expressions?

An awful lot of your postings are really you saying that people shouldn't be annoyed by your riding habits. Unfortunately for you, that's not your call.
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Old 01-20-22, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
So? They're entitled to their opinion and you're free to take it on or ignore it. Now you're calling people "police" because you don't like their facial expressions?

An awful lot of your postings are really you saying that people shouldn't be annoyed by your riding habits. Unfortunately for you, that's not your call.
They are helmet police because they told me not to ride with them unless I wore a helmet. Lots of riders don't wear helmets, pros used to not wear helmets, its a personal decision and people should respect it. I'm sick of fighting the losing battle though so now I ride with one on my bars to put on if I anticipate getting caught up in a group ride situation or a technical descent
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Old 01-20-22, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
They are helmet police because they told me not to ride with them unless I wore a helmet. Lots of riders don't wear helmets, pros used to not wear helmets, its a personal decision and people should respect it. I'm sick of fighting the losing battle though so now I ride with one on my bars to put on if I anticipate getting caught up in a group ride situation or a technical descent

If you want to ride with someone, you need to respect the conditions under which they will allow you to, they have no obligation to humor your eccentricities and/or neglect of basic safety equipment. That doesn't make them police, they just don't want to be associated with you if you can't behave. You don't have any right to force yourself on them and you're free to go ahead with your own ride without them.
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Old 01-20-22, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
If you want to ride with someone, you need to respect the conditions under which they will allow you to, they have no obligation to humor your eccentricities and/or neglect of basic safety equipment. That doesn't make them police, they just don't want to be associated with you if you can't behave. You don't have any right to force yourself on them and you're free to go ahead with your own ride without them.
They pressured me into wearing one so they are the helmet police
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
They are helmet police because they told me not to ride with them unless I wore a helmet. Lots of riders don't wear helmets, pros used to not wear helmets, its a personal decision and people should respect it. I'm sick of fighting the losing battle though so now I ride with one on my bars to put on if I anticipate getting caught up in a group ride situation or a technical descent
Sign up for Paris Brest Paris. No helmet requirement plus they serve alcohol at the stops. But, France is a long way to go for freedom.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
They are helmet police because they told me not to ride with them unless I wore a helmet. Lots of riders don't wear helmets, pros used to not wear helmets, its a personal decision and people should respect it. I'm sick of fighting the losing battle though so now I ride with one on my bars to put on if I anticipate getting caught up in a group ride situation or a technical descent
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They pressured me into wearing one so they are the helmet police
If you want to proverbially die on this hill, I guess it's better than literally dying from a head injury.
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Old 01-20-22, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
They pressured me into wearing one so they are the helmet police

You have a very whiny concept of pressuring. "Waah, mommy, they won't play with me unless I wear my helmet! That's mean!"
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Originally Posted by JW Fas View Post
If you want to proverbially die on this hill, I guess it's better than literally dying from a head injury.

At least he didn't call them the Gestapo.

It's almost like he doesn't know what police actually do.
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Old 01-20-22, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62 View Post
Sign up for Paris Brest Paris. No helmet requirement plus they serve alcohol at the stops. But, France is a long way to go for freedom.
Stuperbowl is closer Stupor Bowl Returns Again, and so do the Drunken Bikers - Mpls.St.Paul Magazine (mspmag.com) they wont require helmets, plus there are cars to dodge/draft/skitch
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
I've had a lot of experience with the helmet police with riders.
I hear you. It happened to me once or twice. But there's no need to respond to any career A&S poster's trolling, unthoughtful remarks about being "unbehaving," "eccentric," "whiny," or "unsafe."

This thread is about helmet laws in your area. If anyone wants to make it about something else, he can start his own thread. tia.
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
I hear you. It happened to me once or twice. But there's no need to respond to any career A&S poster's trolling, unthoughtful remarks about being "unbehaving," "eccentric," "whiny," or "unsafe."

This thread is about helmet laws in your area. If anyone wants to make it about something else, he can start his own thread. tia.

I'm not the guy confusing not letting him join their group ride with law enforcement. He's not even talking about unsolicited comments or scolding, he's complaining because people don't want to ride with him.

You're complaining about being stopped by actual police. That's a whole different kettle of fish, and I don't think that should happen. It's basically a license for cops to hassle cyclists for no good reason. There's absolutely no equivalence between what you're talking about andLarrySellerz 's whiny complaint about "pressure".
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Does canada require skateboarders & roller-skaters to wear a helmet if on public ground?
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
You're complaining about being stopped by actual police.
I don't think I "complained" about that. And I don't think the other poster is "whining" about anything. There's no reason to escalate an argument, embellish opinion, or use vitriolic language. These methods of yours don't resonate with me. Please don't muddy up this thread with that stuff. Thank you.
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