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Guy yells vulgarities at cyclist that asks him to move and then ties it into how cyclists hate homeless people. Tonight at 10.
What a dumb op-ed.
What a dumb op-ed.
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Maybe instead of standing around blocking MUPs they should get a job. It seems every business is hiring these days.
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"Spandex clad" is code for a lot of things, it's not appropriate language in any situation.
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"Unhoused". Makes me cringe, that one.
I work in downtown Berkeley and am literally surrounded by the HOMELESS problem for 9 waking hours every workday. It is grim. These people are suffering and many have problems that are not ever going to be fixed.
That said, calling them "houseless" is an insult to their condition. Some of these people have been victimized since before they could walk or talk.
They are indeed HOMELESS in many ways.
I work in downtown Berkeley and am literally surrounded by the HOMELESS problem for 9 waking hours every workday. It is grim. These people are suffering and many have problems that are not ever going to be fixed.
That said, calling them "houseless" is an insult to their condition. Some of these people have been victimized since before they could walk or talk.
They are indeed HOMELESS in many ways.
Most have Brain Damage.
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I’m guessing that it would take $40k-$50k to live in LA, or many urban/suburban areas in California. I don’t imagine there are a lot of businesses are willing to give those wages to someone lacking skills and possibly with any number of extenuating issues.
It is why multiple jobs, or side gigs, have become the norm. If you’re young and work for a company that offers educational programs and add a gig job, you have a chance. If you’re over 40, or 50, and on the street I would think it would be nearly impossible.
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In the past I have always been a proponent that working solves the issue. But it really doesn’t for someone who is unskilled, aging, no place to live, and with no mode of transportation.
I’m guessing that it would take $40k-$50k to live in LA, or many urban/suburban areas in California. I don’t imagine there are a lot of businesses are willing to give those wages to someone lacking skills and possibly with any number of extenuating issues.
It is why multiple jobs, or side gigs, have become the norm. If you’re young and work for a company that offers educational programs and add a gig job, you have a chance. If you’re over 40, or 50, and on the street I would think it would be nearly impossible.
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I’m guessing that it would take $40k-$50k to live in LA, or many urban/suburban areas in California. I don’t imagine there are a lot of businesses are willing to give those wages to someone lacking skills and possibly with any number of extenuating issues.
It is why multiple jobs, or side gigs, have become the norm. If you’re young and work for a company that offers educational programs and add a gig job, you have a chance. If you’re over 40, or 50, and on the street I would think it would be nearly impossible.
John
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Let's not let this devolve into a political discussion about homelessness, please.
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It was a waste of an article, but you should at least read it to comment.
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How would the situation be different if the "unhoused" person were an injured cyclist and the outreach worker were an Emergency Medical Tech. We can't know if the cyclist would have behaved differently, but would you treat the two different scenarios differently as a passing cyclist?
While everyone on an MUP shares an obligation for the safety and welfare of others, a greater responsibility and obligation is carried by those who carry greater velocity.
While everyone on an MUP shares an obligation for the safety and welfare of others, a greater responsibility and obligation is carried by those who carry greater velocity.
When people are just standing there, that is clearly different from a visible medical event.
Also, telling the people to move is helping to keep everyone involved safe. If people dont know they are in an unsafe position, then telling them will potentially keep them and others safe(so nobody collides into them).
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I bet the cyclist wouldnt have told the group standing around to get off the path if it were an injured cyclist and 2 EMTs. That is because it is an obviously different scenario and social behavior has taught us to slow down and dont tell medical events to move aside.
When people are just standing there, that is clearly different from a visible medical event.
Also, telling the people to move is helping to keep everyone involved safe. If people dont know they are in an unsafe position, then telling them will potentially keep them and others safe(so nobody collides into them).
When people are just standing there, that is clearly different from a visible medical event.
Also, telling the people to move is helping to keep everyone involved safe. If people dont know they are in an unsafe position, then telling them will potentially keep them and others safe(so nobody collides into them).
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I have done so many times. "Please move off the trail when you stop." Things like that.
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What I find most interesting is how many people are so triggered by the authors initial description of the interaction that they completely missed the point of the rest of article…. if they even bothered to read it.
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Wow, the lack of humanity on the part of some has greatly populated my ignore list. Thanks!
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Understandable, given that was the only part of all this related to cycling.
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[QUOTE=mstateglfr;22265614]3 days ago on Friday I loudly said 'MOVE' to a group of 3 women in athleisure who were standing on the right side of a MUP. I loathe MUPs and use them very sparingly, but this was with one of my kids and the MUP is the only realistic way for us to ride from where we started to halfway thru the ride. It is busy with runners, cyclists, walkers, families, etc. We had to come to a complete stop behind them due to cyclists coming the other way.
It was a very minor incident in the grand scheme of things and I didnt even think about it again until just now, but at the same time it was completely absurd and indefensible./[QUOTE]
When I read the last sentence above, I thought that you saw your action of yelling and startling the woman over something so inconsequential as indefensible. Then I read the next sentence.
The only occasion I can think of to yell at people to ‘move’ would be in a situation like people blocking a hall in a burning building or other life and death situ. We come from different worlds.
It was a very minor incident in the grand scheme of things and I didnt even think about it again until just now, but at the same time it was completely absurd and indefensible./[QUOTE]
When I read the last sentence above, I thought that you saw your action of yelling and startling the woman over something so inconsequential as indefensible. Then I read the next sentence.
The only occasion I can think of to yell at people to ‘move’ would be in a situation like people blocking a hall in a burning building or other life and death situ. We come from different worlds.
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When I read the last sentence above, I thought that you saw your action of yelling and startling the woman over something so inconsequential as indefensible. Then I read the next sentence.
The only occasion I can think of to yell at people to ‘move’ would be in a situation like people blocking a hall in a burning building or other life and death situ. We come from different worlds.
When I read the last sentence above, I thought that you saw your action of yelling and startling the woman over something so inconsequential as indefensible. Then I read the next sentence.
The only occasion I can think of to yell at people to ‘move’ would be in a situation like people blocking a hall in a burning building or other life and death situ. We come from different worlds.
As we approached I told my daughter to slow down instead of pass because of oncoming cyclists. I then told her to slow more. I then said stop when we were about 10' from them. We then stood there for a second before I said 'yo- move!' and they all jumped in surprise that they were in the way. Others were waiting behind us.
Would you really have sat there in silence?
If I had a different bike I would have dinged my bell, if that is somehow more acceptable to you.
We don't come from different worlds, we just handle potentially dangerous situations differently.
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Perhaps the author is clouded in their recollection of the incident and the cyclist was actually friendly in the first interaction, but the author interpreted it negatively.
Perhaps the cyclist is already doing so much for the community because they are the founder of a non-profit which provides support to single mom teens for childcare, education, and job resources.
The op-ed is being ripped on because it isnt good. It acknowledges they were in the wrong place and then makes assumptions about the cyclist.
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I put people on ignore when they make personal insults or smart ass comments or troll me because I got tired of drama. I don't put anyone on ignore if they don't think exactly like me. That would be abut half the people here.
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