8 speed to 10 speed gearset
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8 speed to 10 speed gearset
I have shimano 2300 3x8 components on my road bike (specialized secteur). Can I change to a 10 speed gear set and use the same crank set and bottom bracket, or will I need an entire new groupset? If I only need new shifters, this would be a good upgrade for me as I ride a lot of hills and more gears would be nice, but an entire group set might not be worth the money.
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Simply having more gears isn't an upgrade if you don't have the right gears. Maybe changing the cassette to one with lower gears would be a better answer...
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I have shimano 2300 3x8 components on my road bike (specialized secteur). Can I change to a 10 speed gear set and use the same crank set and bottom bracket, or will I need an entire new groupset? If I only need new shifters, this would be a good upgrade for me as I ride a lot of hills and more gears would be nice, but an entire group set might not be worth the money.
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Do the Ratio Math... what size , (tooth count) are you lacking? you can resolve that, perhaps, without the large expense of replacing the drivetrain.
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Maybe see if you can go down to a 26 tooth chainring. I have been using a 26-36-48 triple chainring with a 12-25 cassette for the last 2 1/2 years and it provides a nice range of gears. There are times where I think an extra climbing gear in the back would be nice, but so far I am sticking with this setup.
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The answer to your question is that the current crank will work sort-of. The chainring spacing is greater than 9 or 10-speed cranks and you may have problems with the thinner 10-speed chain getting caught between the chainrings if you shift under load. If you are careful it can be acceptable.
At a minimum you will need new shifters, a new cassette and a new chain and possibly a new front derailleur A Tiagra 10-speed crank (FC-4600 double or FC-4603 triple) and matching bottom bracket would be the lowest cost replacement crank and will certainly work.
At a minimum you will need new shifters, a new cassette and a new chain and possibly a new front derailleur A Tiagra 10-speed crank (FC-4600 double or FC-4603 triple) and matching bottom bracket would be the lowest cost replacement crank and will certainly work.
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Sure, you can use your 8-speed crank with 10-speed rest of the group. It won't be perfect, and it will possibly exhibit more episodes of chain suck and skating over the teeth when shifting with a 10-speed chain, but it will mostly work OK. But do you want MORE gears or LOWER gears? I know that some folks upgraded to 10-speed to get that elusive 15 cog in their otherwise acceptable cassette span. But that's the only reason I can see to change a perfectly fine 8-speed system to 10 speed.
If you want lower gears, my suggestion is to get a new cassette, maybe 12-32 rather than 12-26, and a 8 or 9-speed mountain bike derailleur (and a new chain of course). You'll get out for under $100, and have perfect shifting and the lower gears you want. Upgrading to 10-speed will cost two to three benjamins and the supply of low geared cassettes is poor.
If you want lower gears, my suggestion is to get a new cassette, maybe 12-32 rather than 12-26, and a 8 or 9-speed mountain bike derailleur (and a new chain of course). You'll get out for under $100, and have perfect shifting and the lower gears you want. Upgrading to 10-speed will cost two to three benjamins and the supply of low geared cassettes is poor.
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15T cogs are very common. The really "elusive" cog is the 16T and is the reason I changed a perfectly fine 9-speed 12x27 cassette to a 10-speed 12x27. If Shimano sold a 13x27 9-speed cassette I would still use 9-speed.
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Doh! Looks like a simple change in the gear set is all I need. Don't know why I was trying to do it the hard way.
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The crank may or may not work. I recently upgraded to 10 speed and found I couldn't get reliable shifts on the front. Most of the time the chain would sit on the top of the large ring and not drop down onto the teeth. I went through my stack of chainrings and found one that appeared to have less offset. I installed that and had reliable shifting.
However, the limit to larger gears would likely be your present rear derailleur. If it has a limit of 28 then 10 speed isn't going to help.
You could try a 8 speed 30T cassette - even if your derailleur is rated for 28 it will probably handle a 30T cog if you adjust the B-screw.
However, the limit to larger gears would likely be your present rear derailleur. If it has a limit of 28 then 10 speed isn't going to help.
You could try a 8 speed 30T cassette - even if your derailleur is rated for 28 it will probably handle a 30T cog if you adjust the B-screw.
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More gears are worse - more sensitive to tune, and more expensive to buy chains and cassettes.
You could get a nice MTB rear derailleur (Shimano Acera, or better) and do a straight swap with your current rear derailleur (up to 9 speed MTB ders should be compatible). That will allow you to use a 32, or even a 34 biggest tooth at the rear. Plenty of range for steep hills.
You could get a nice MTB rear derailleur (Shimano Acera, or better) and do a straight swap with your current rear derailleur (up to 9 speed MTB ders should be compatible). That will allow you to use a 32, or even a 34 biggest tooth at the rear. Plenty of range for steep hills.
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Thanks for the responses. Looks like I'll try a new gear set and new rear derailleur if necessary.
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I've upgraded 2 bikes to 9 speed.
The first had friction shifters and I picked up a used 8/9 speed Free hub wheel at a garage sale for $5, so it was pretty inexpensive. Just a chain & cassette.
I then did N+1.
On my Globe, it was originally 8 speed and that involved new ST Brake/Shifters, chain & cassette. Noticeably more $, but not too bad since I waited until the various parts were on sale.
The bad part was my former EXCELLENT friction shifting skills went down the tube when I got the 2nd bike with trigger shifters, so I ended up getting them for bike N.
Since you are going to get a new cassette anyway, you'll probably get a new chain.
It just might be time to make the switch to 9 speed.
I just ordered a set of ST-EF 65 shifters from Amazon for $42 delivered. (my Globe was stolen and I got it back somewhat stripped)
What I like about 9 speed vs 8 is the much wider variety of cassettes available.
The first had friction shifters and I picked up a used 8/9 speed Free hub wheel at a garage sale for $5, so it was pretty inexpensive. Just a chain & cassette.
I then did N+1.
On my Globe, it was originally 8 speed and that involved new ST Brake/Shifters, chain & cassette. Noticeably more $, but not too bad since I waited until the various parts were on sale.
The bad part was my former EXCELLENT friction shifting skills went down the tube when I got the 2nd bike with trigger shifters, so I ended up getting them for bike N.
Since you are going to get a new cassette anyway, you'll probably get a new chain.
It just might be time to make the switch to 9 speed.
I just ordered a set of ST-EF 65 shifters from Amazon for $42 delivered. (my Globe was stolen and I got it back somewhat stripped)
What I like about 9 speed vs 8 is the much wider variety of cassettes available.
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Acceptable spacing on 8 speed road cassettes limits you to a 21, 19, or 18 big cog depending on whether you started with a 13, 12, or 11 cog.
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Acceptable spacing is 10% jump or less on the same cog? That's uncalled for - I certainly welcome the smaller jumps made available by more cogs (though I find anything beyond 9 silly when they start at a next to useless 11 tooth) but somehow we managed to survive back when the standard for racing was 5 cogs to get from 14-21. I have an 8 speed 13-28 and I don't find the jumps to be inefficient or uncomfortable, and have a few on the alternate chainrings to fill in gaps where I most often ride.
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As I have said, my bike comes equipped with a 12-25 road cassette but more a touring triple 26-36-48, which provides a decent range of climbing gears good enough to handle most of the tough climbs in my neck of the woods. If I lived somewhere more mountainous, I might switch to a mountain cassette and rear derailleur.
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I have a SecTour for use in the trainer, and when one of the 8spd shifters went FUBAR I "upgraded" (spare shifters laying around) to older Ultegra 3x9spd. Installed 9spd cassette (again laying around), and while I didn't count all the teeth, I know the low gear is 32T, and worked with the original RD without B-screw adjustment. My FD however seems to have an incapitable pull ratio as even with 9spd chainrings shifts are moo poo. Couldn't tell you if I have the same group, just my experience.
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I have a road bike 8 speed triple gearing 52/42/30 chainrings, 12/25 cassette. I regeared 50/39/30 with an 11/30 cassette, all I had to do was add two links in the chain, put on a new chain. I had the chainrings so my total out of pocket was less than $30. With 1-1 gear can climb anything.
All you need is cassette and chain, no need to change crankset.
All you need is cassette and chain, no need to change crankset.
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