How High Maintenance are Tubeless Tires Anyway?
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Plenty of tubeless tire/rim combos will unseat on their own if the pressure gets too low. My bikes vary from my fat tire bike that can require a foot on the tire to unseat the bead to my gravel bike where one of the rims will start unseating before the tire is even fully deflated. Yes all are tubeless rims and tubeless tires. Even a good combo could get unseated if you can't immediately stop and ride on the deflated tire for a bit.
and for anyone who hasn't done it before, putting a tube in a tubeless tire is a disgusting mess on the roadside!
and for anyone who hasn't done it before, putting a tube in a tubeless tire is a disgusting mess on the roadside!
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I've had ~10 punctures in a 28 psi tubeless mtb tire simultaneously by riding over a goathead patch (ugggg), and pulled each goathead out (a 6 o'clock) and let gravity and the sealant do its thing with zero/marginal loss of psi. And in fact, during the 2,000 miles of tubeless mtb I've done, I've never had an actual flat. And even with that 100% success rate I'm still on the fence about tubeless on the road, due to all the naysayers.
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Really though, I think that popping in a tube roadside is even less of a concern than it was before. Both of my experiences came before I started using plugs so, unless you were unprepared and didn't have plugs, it's gotta be a pretty damn serious puncture to warrant a tube. Like, a bootable affair, which... well hell - your day is already borked, so what's a little sealant?
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- Those that have never used road tubeless
- Those that used Stan's on road tubeless
The next largest group of naysayers would probably be:
- Those that never really had problems with punctures and never should have went tubeless in the first place
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I've been running WTB Expanse 32 tires all season (tan wall), and the leaky sidewalls have soured me on these tires. But they are still useable for all but the longest rides (where you will need to top up the air after several hours). Of course it's more of an issue with higher pressures. And don't even think of cleaning the tire with any mild soap... Getting rid of any grit from the side of the tire will definitely allow sealant to pass.
Otherwise, I have liked everything about tubeless, other than the sealant mess. My tires are basically swiss cheese with punctures at this point in the season, and all of the punctures have sealed. Only one puncture required any additional air in the middle of a ride (just a bit to firm up the tire).
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the one I used the other day stayed with the plug, I only know that because when I pulled the tire to check it and the rim to make sure the 3" nail did not damage anything, it was still attached.
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I think it depends on the sealant you use. I use Orange Seal and it is not that big of a deal. it wipes down with a rag
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Dude, thank you. I use Stan's .... on the road, 90-105 psi. I never knew I was supposed to hate tubeless for this reason. Thanks for the tip.
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Dude .... I QUOTED what you actually said, and you are going to tell me that that is not what you actually said?
I do ride .... the fact that you have to demean me when I disagree with you pretty much says everything everybody ever needs to know about.
Thanks for the warning.
I do ride .... the fact that you have to demean me when I disagree with you pretty much says everything everybody ever needs to know about.
Thanks for the warning.
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Plenty of tubeless tire/rim combos will unseat on their own if the pressure gets too low. My bikes vary from my fat tire bike that can require a foot on the tire to unseat the bead to my gravel bike where one of the rims will start unseating before the tire is even fully deflated. Yes all are tubeless rims and tubeless tires. Even a good combo could get unseated if you can't immediately stop and ride on the deflated tire for a bit.
and for anyone who hasn't done it before, putting a tube in a tubeless tire is a disgusting mess on the roadside!
and for anyone who hasn't done it before, putting a tube in a tubeless tire is a disgusting mess on the roadside!
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Yeah, I've had to pop in a tube twice, and the "mess" certainly wasn't the worst part of the situation. I mean, if it didn't seal, the majority of the sealant should be blown out of the puncture, anyway. If it's not... okay, carefully dump it out.
Really though, I think that popping in a tube roadside is even less of a concern than it was before. Both of my experiences came before I started using plugs so, unless you were unprepared and didn't have plugs, it's gotta be a pretty damn serious puncture to warrant a tube. Like, a bootable affair, which... well hell - your day is already borked, so what's a little sealant?
Really though, I think that popping in a tube roadside is even less of a concern than it was before. Both of my experiences came before I started using plugs so, unless you were unprepared and didn't have plugs, it's gotta be a pretty damn serious puncture to warrant a tube. Like, a bootable affair, which... well hell - your day is already borked, so what's a little sealant?
That's only messy though, not disgusting. I'm also not usually wearing kit that I'm afraid of staining.
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If i were going to run tubed on tubeless rims, two things is do are replace the tubeless tape with rim tape, and use tube type tires. No worries
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Dude .... I QUOTED what you actually said, and you are going to tell me that that is not what you actually said?
I do ride .... the fact that you have to demean me when I disagree with you pretty much says everything everybody ever needs to know about.
Thanks for the warning.
I do ride .... the fact that you have to demean me when I disagree with you pretty much says everything everybody ever needs to know about.
Thanks for the warning.
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Considering the OP has posted approx 100 posts inquiring about the value proposition of one used bike or another and has moved on to some form of a cruiser according to recent activety. Let's get to the point where the bike is actually purchased to determine the best practices regarding tubeless.
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Considering the OP has posted approx 100 posts inquiring about the value proposition of one used bike or another and has moved on to some form of a cruiser according to recent activety. Let's get to the point where the bike is actually purchased to determine the best practices regarding tubeless.
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I am disappointed with the tubeless setup I had done recently, yet I'm determined to make them work. Had the LBS build me a wheelset with tubeless rims and install tubeless tires. They've set them up twice now and they will not hold air more than a few minutes at a time after the tires came "unstuck" from the rims from the weight of the bike pressing down on the flat tires as the bike leaned against a wall in the garage. I'm so frustrated about it that I'm just not riding it. Eventually I'll quit being stubborn, but I just can't deal with them right now. I've spent too much time pumping them up in my garage over and over when I wanted to go riding on the weekends. They either won't "stick" at all, or do for a short while but then go flat in the ten minutes it takes me to run inside to put on my bike shorts, fill a water bottle, and put on my shoes. Everyone says, "they aren't supposed to come off the rim, even when low on air" but they do.
For best experience the rim supposed to look like this:
https://www.schwalbe.com/en/tubeless...danforderungen
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Sure. But some TL rims does not have a bead lock hump that retains the bead seating in the event of pressure loss. However that isn't the reason the tyre goes flat. Any number of other possible reasons for that.
For best experience the rim supposed to look like this:
https://www.schwalbe.com/en/tubeless...danforderungen
For best experience the rim supposed to look like this:
https://www.schwalbe.com/en/tubeless...danforderungen
Yep, I was setting up a new set of wheels earlier this week and the front did not maintain air overnight. The bead was fine, but the valve core was not tight enough, so once I retightened the core, no issues.
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Interesting. The way the diagram is presented though, it looks like the tool would be extending so far that you'd hit the rim bed? I'd assume not though since nobody is indicating that to use a dynaplug you need to remove the tire, right? What tool is needed for step 4's "clipping" -- pair of scissor, nail clipper?